kumar. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, rev. >> thank you, reverend. >> dr.wing could find policies to disagree with, but they just want to make up their own facts, why? >> you're so absolutely right. they're living in a parallel world. the world of facts suggests this government shutdown hurt the very people that supposedly they want to take care of. working class people. though they don't mention them. middle class people. government workers. 800,000-some strong. the reality is poor people were disadvantaged during the shutdown. people lost access to health care and on top of that, some people even lost their lives as a result of some of the extreme measures taken in observation of the shutdown. the reality is obama care was not the supposed victim of this shutdown. it was the american people. and even though they said they wanted to get at obama care, that wasn't on the table. all they did was get out there and show their right wing base they can be rebelliourebelliousy did nothing to further their agenda. >> maria, i want to get back to that segment on ob