oh i'm joined tonight by dr robert hoatson he is a former priest and co-founder of. road to recovery that's a foundation that assists sexual abuse victims dr hudson is himself a survivor of clergy sexual abuse he joins us tonight from the u.s. state of new jersey doctors and it's good to have you on the day i want to ask you a four day workshop that begins with the pope telling church leaders to hear the children's cry is that going to solve this horrible situation. well according to the pope who has very low expectations for this summit i'm hoping that his words to begin the summit. by saying that he should listen and we should listen to the voices of the children i hope he finally doesn't speak out of both sides of his mouth and say one thing and do another just yesterday he criticized those who critique the church for not doing enough and that means that he was critiquing the very victims and survivors and advocates and supporters who have been trying to get change in the church for many many decades so i'm hoping the pope's words this morning listen to the childre

molesting children and raping nuns all right i'm now joined by former priest and now victim advocate dr robert hoatson he is the co-founder of road to recovery a foundation that assists sexual abuse victims. he is himself a survivor of clergy sexual abuse and he joins us now from west orange new jersey a very warm welcome doctor what are the chances that this summit which is currently underway the first of its kind will lead to a meaningful accountability and change well based on the the run up to this summit we don't have much hope for for high expectations because the pope himself has said that there were not to be high expectations the expectations are low now any c.e.o. of an organization who talks about the expectations for his organization being low . has to do a radical reshift ing of his leadership in order to say we are not going to settle for anything less than the highest of expectations and that is to end the scourge of clergy sexual abuse for ever so do you think that victims should not get their hopes up well no i think the victims should keep their hopes up because it is only their cour