would be hundreds of times greater than nine eleven welcome back to politicking my guest is dr william perry the former us secretary of defense under bill clinton he's founder of the william j. terry project and nonprofit effort to educate the public about the threat of nuclear weapons he's the author of my journey at the nuclear brink he joins me from stanford in nineteen ninety nine you traveled to north korea at the behest of president clinton. what was the mission like what were they like to deal with. they were very businesslike to deal with we had four days of intense discussions we came away with a verbal agreement at least a handshake agreement on what they could do and what we could do to put us on a track a serious track to avoiding a conflict that involved them giving up not only the nuclear weapons but the long range missiles and tailored significant concession of the united states makes them both in the economic field and most importantly in security assurances do you think . we wise for president trump to meet with the leader of north korea. not as a first step i think we would

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william j. perry project a nonprofit effort to educate the public about the threat of nuclear weapons he's also the author of my gertie at the nuclear brink dr perry joins me from stanford university in palo alto thank you so much for being with us mr secretary it's great to be with you again larry.

defense secretary william perry, one of the most respected voices on informed nuke lee deterrence, tweeted this. i want to read it to you. dr. perry saying, nuclear deterrence is only effective if threats are deemed credible. bluster hurts our national security posture. words from someone who, out of office for many years, remains one of the most credible voices, as i say, on informed nuclear deterrence, wolf? >> very interesting. barbara, thank you. barbara starr at the pentagon. >>> let's talk more about the breaking news. we are joined by our global affairs correspondent elise lachl it and ripley who has done extensive reporting in north korea, 13 times. based on your experience -- you are joining us now from beijing -- what is kim jong-un's end game now? how might he respond to president trump's warning of fire and fury? >> well, the end game is to have an icbm with a miniaturized nuclear warhead, a whole arsenal of them to serve as a deterrent against the united states because north korea has told its citizens for decades that they're under the imminent threat of invasion. as for his direct response to this rhetoric fr