dr. ablow, what do you think? >> here's what i think.s from the outset, we're not looking to bully anyone. i'm reminded of the words of abraham lincoln, with malice towards none, but now is the time, martha, when we have to understand this issue. what's happening here? we have two women, raising a child, he's adopted, and he's come to believe that he, too, is female. that argues for a complete psychological evaluation, not just of the boy, but of his parents as well. to see whether psychological forces are at play here, to make him say such things. we need to do away with stigma and look at this as scientists and really understand what's happening, not make it a cultural debate, but a scientific one. martha: yeah, i meerntion dr. mccarry, this child has not started puberty, and to me the idea, when you think about what goes on in a child's body during these years, right, all of these natural things that are supposed to be evolving in your body, and then to make an arbitrary decision, and by arbitrary, i don't mean willy nilly, but a volu

dr. keith ablow a psychiatrist and member of fox news medical a-team.to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: it is very difficult thing for us to get into the minds of the parents knowing how public the story is. cameras are on them. police are on them. how do we go about figuring out how they're doing or how they're handling this, doctor? >> first, we should acknowledge, number one i haven't interviewed them of course, bill. secondly, no reaction is stereotypical in this situation. when you're in front of a camera, when you're in the middle after tragedy that is unfolding, it is hard to put yourself in the place of the other person, so our empath thick skills are challenged. there are some things we can at least think about in this situation. bill: such as what? when you consider this, they have answered questions from reporters. they haven't denied the public. how do you evaluate that, doctor? >> yeah. this is what i'm thinking. again it's thought based on my 15 years as a forensic psychiatrist so take it for what you will. i think the mom's reaction is

dr. keith ablow when you need him? is this a growing movement or a temporary temper tantrum.tuart varney is fresh off the case. what do you make of this? it's spreading across the country. hard to ignore. >> it's hard to ignore. there are more people protesting but it's still numbered in the hundreds. this is not a mass movement. there's not thousands of people out there. i don't think it's been numbered in the thousands. and it's been very well received by the establishment media which kind of likes it, you know, but not well received by the conservative media but look, those people protesting, i think, are obama's base. and they are rallying for obama's base. the issues are precisely the same. they're railing against the fat cat bankers, that's the expression that president obama used. they want to spread the wealth, exactly the same as president obama. they want to tax the rich. same as obama. they hate wall street. i think president obama does not have a soft spot for wall street. they hate big oil. they hate -- they want to do something about global warming. the issues a