dr. algernon austin, his latest work is called "the unfinished marches." dr.ustin, thank you for your work and thank you for coming on to talk with us tonight. >> my pleasure, anytime. tavis: >> coming up next, conversation with mary frances berry and that chair of the defense fund, marian wright edelman. stay with us. joining us now from washington to talk about the work being done to bring jobs, justice, and freedom to all americans, marian wright edelman of the children's defense fund that advocates for children of all at this of these, and mary frances berry, former chair of the u.s. commission on civil rights and now professor of history at the university of pennsylvania. i am honored as always to have both of you on this program tonight. 50 years later, what do you think? >> it is one of those glass half -glass half empty. i think it is about a quarter full. i think a lot has been accomplished, some of it through the work that marian dozen other people, and the work you have done, tavis. but i think we are not anywhere near where we ought to be. the most