dr. amy goldberg the hospital's chief trauma surge helped the crate l to grave program. >> it's a 15th name but in reality what it is, it is just a rib-spreader. and we spread open the ribs so that we could gain access to his heart, and his lung . >> together, dr. goldberg and scott charles created a program to attack the epidemic ever gun violence with hard facts. >> what is your motivation? why do you do this? >> we have found that the kids and the students what they see on tv what they hear ton radio what they might see on a video game is what they think happens if they were to sustain some kind of gunshot wound. and we felt that we needed to give them the real education of what can occur after you get shot. so we actually used an instrument like this which looks underneath the breast bone and we bang on it and it splits your breast bone in half. we started compressing again continued to compress his heart and in spite of everything we did that day, that night nothing worked. and la mont dried here on the trauma stretcher. >> dr. goldberg says her trauma unit sees about 400 gunshot patie