. >> i have to follow-up questions for dr. anton. on identification.one is, you commented earlier that phone numbers -- [inaudible] identified an education. [inaudible] >> i stand corrected on the. >> then i guess you also commented earlier that having a lock on your door was a pretty good protection against burglars but not a perfect protection. i guess the question is in the context of a massive database, burglars may not have the wherewithal to break into it with some in the community but with a database, brutal force attack you might be able to get a very valuable return on its own but does that suggest that it needs to be stronger i mean that even the sufficient? as you point out on the netflix example, there have been articles about the ability to identify. >> you can see all of this program online at c-span.org. we are leaving u this and taking you live to the senate floor as they gavel in. confirmation votes for district nominees today as well as a house passed bill that we offer is a federal program that helps low income families pay child car

dr. anton's points, we should just get better. we cannot ask industry, oh, don't encrypt, don't do anything. i would love to follow that when chinese and russians also followed that as well. so that's just not going to work. i'm very respectful of the problems that the law enforcement agency has with the current state of affairs. we just have to get better. and it works at the end it's going to work better for us as a nation. so that's number one. i fully agree. some of the things that -- so, going dark, i don't know if it's going dark. i know that we are currently in a state that we are really able to think certain way about the system design, about the system security, about maintaining privacy. that world has changed. the world and the industry has changed rapidly. the rest of us are catching up. so i think it pays dividend if we figure out, take some time, figure out what are the rules of this new world where we don't necessarily need to rely on encryption. i'm a big fan of encryption. it's one of the tools that security profe

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dr. anton's point, which is to get better.we cannot ask industry, oh, don't incriminate, don't do anything -- encrypt, don't do anything. i would love to follow that when chinese and russians also follow that as well, so that's just not going to work. i'm very respectful of the problems that the law enforcement agency has with the current state of affairs. we just have to get better. and at the end, it's going to work better for us as a nation. so that's number one, i fully agree. some things, so going dark, i don't know if it's going dark. i know that we are currently in a state that we are really able to think certain way about the system design, about the system security, about maintain bing privacy. -- maintaining privacy. that world has changed. the world and the industry has changed rapidly. the rest of us are are catching up. so i think it pays dividends if we figure out, take only time, figure out what are the rules of this new world where we don't necessarily need to rely only on encryption. i'm a big fan of encryptio