dr. aulden? dr.quick final point, access to care when it comes to the health care law, if we change the way we talk about cancer, will that change our insurance coverage then suddenly we're in the realm with where we could get a more invasive, more aggressive procedure but our insurance says we'll actually not cover it for you? >> keep in mind very aggressive procedures often times cause harm. people are actually harmed by overtreatment in this country. we lose probably 8,000 a people a year to cancer because they can't get treatment yet we have other people who actually die because they get overtreated already. i agree with the good doctor we need to talk to our patients. doctors themselves need to understand that this overtreatment issue has been a real problem. and this really, this paper is really a p.r. campaign to get doctors to really realize this is a problem because a lot of doctors don't realize this is a problem. jenna: it's a really fascinating conversation. we appreciate both of you comi