joining us dr. baden. good to have you here. >> good evening martha. >> you are listening to my conversation with william herman who has been reporting on this story what catches your attention in what the homicide investigators are saying and not saying so far about this case? >> well, what catches my attention is something you just said martha or is it something else? we can't leave accident out of this it is unusual for sue sigh. it is unusual for homicide. it is unusual for accident. but there are certain sexual experimentations that you have to think of when you see a nude woman hanging, which is very unusual that also i'm sure the police are investigating. here's where the medical examiner's office going to be crucial to determine exactly what the cause of death is. was she dead when -- as a result of the hanging or could something else have caused her death first? was she in a struggle? she was a very athletic person. marks on her, broken fingernails. and the toxicology is important. most important

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joining us dr. baden.ening, good to have you here. >> good evening martha. >> you are listening to my conversation with william herman who has been reporting on this story what catches your attention in what the homicide investigators are saying and not saying so far about this case? >> well, what catches my attention is something you just said martha or is it something else? we can't leave accident out of this it is unusual for sue sigh. it is unusual for homicide. it is unusual for accident. but there are certain sexual experimentations that you have to think of when you see a nude woman hanging, which is very unusual that also i'm sure the police are investigating. here's where the medical examiner's office going to be crucial to determine exactly what the cause of death is. was she dead when -- as a result of the hanging or could something else have caused her death first? was she in a struggle? she was a very athletic person. marks on her, broken fingernails. and the toxicology is important. most impo

dr. baden's wife is a former member of the defense team in this case. dr. good to see you greta. >> greta: in a perfect world with a fully professional autopsy, if you found those remains of that child, six months after she died. if it sat out in the open sun and maybe in swampy waters, is there some diagnostic test or autopsy means by which you can determine whether she died from drowning or suffocation? >> yes. the diatoms. if she drowned, then the diatoms in the bone marrow which they examined. but they examined it for tocology not these one-sell plans, can tell which body of water, pool, lake, and a bathtub that she may have drowned in, if she had drowned. >> greta: you say diatoms. what is that? and number two, you say it can tell. are you saying it would tell with certainty? >> if it is positive it is certainty. diatoms are like plankton, one-sell plans ubiquitous around the world. there are a few thousand different specs. normally, one can take water from whatever body of water and find four, five different species in the water that's like a fingerpr

joining me with reaction forensic pathologist, dr. baden. psychiatrist dr. keith ablo, and diana tennis. okay team here you have the prosecutor saying the fact that she is a mother doesn't mean she is the mother of the year. dr. keith ablow, what do you think of that? >> look, judge i disagree with the prosecutor. this idea that because she is portrayed as a great mother she can't have this a typical -- atypical reaction to the loss of her daughter. i don't agree that statement is incorrect. i've treated people who respond to the loss of their children in very bizarre ways indeed. with psychosis, with manic symptoms. remember, casey was out dancing with friends, being hyper sexual. spending money. staying up all hours of the night. what's that? for one thing, potentially, i'm not saying this is the case, but are those manic symptoms? yes, they are. so it is factually incorrect what the prosecutors assert. >> judge jeanine: okay. mark, do you agree with dr. ab low? >> i do. but for another reason. i don't think the prosecutors needed to take on that burr. if

this is bizarre to me. >> judge jeanine: dr. badenis the body was so decomposed there was really no way to know a cause of death. they say i was a homicide. do we have reason to belief it was an accident or suicide? there was no evidence of that in this case, was there? >> only reason to believe it was the initial, in july after the first few weeks, where the boyfriend and cindy adams cam came out with the issue she might have drowned. the boyfriend said right off before the body was found that if she had drowned in the pool, because casey wasn't watching her properly, she may have panicked and got rid of the body. so, it would be an accidental death with a cover-up afterwards. all of which, guilty of something, but not of first degree murder. i agree that -- and the evidence, the autopsy evidence is just as consistent with that as it is with any type of criminal cause of death. >> judge jeanine: let me ask you doctor, do you think the fact that they alleged it was an accident, but offered absolutely no testimony from the defendant re

dr. baden. when sundy anthony went on the stand and talked about an existing stain in the trufng of the car, it almost seemed as if all of the sudden she seems to be trying to protect her daughter by coming up with this stain theory, even though her husband who was a cop for ten years said the trunk smells like death. >> that's also -- that also concernsby about forensic science. the stain in the car is described as being a clear stain, and it's due to decomposition fluid from a body that was there. but decomposition fluid is black, it's dark. it doesn't leave a clear stain. it was tested and there was no dna on it. and i think that that's also bad forensic science. but i will agree, very much with susan's comment, about the jury. probably the most important thing in this whole trial, aside from any science, was how the jury was picked on day one. julie: yeah, i mean, it just -- you know, first of all, they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that casey anthony was responsible for her daught

so he did a very good job of explaining the duct tape. >> jed as dr. baden said judge seidlin has there ever been a murder with duct tape why if a mother wanted to kill a little girl just put the pillow over her case. >> being a former prosecutor he did a great job crafting his position. i think he has such fantasy and theory here. as you think, i don't see anything tying it all up. i think it's too complicated. this girl casey can't even get herself a job now you want her to go and get this chloroform to put it over her and then put tape and throw the body into a swamp. i just can't see her putting it all together like that. i believe she had some help and i think it may have been an accidental death here. >> what did you think of wendy's, wendy murphy that this was a sex crime committed by persons unknown? >> i see wendy as a future author. i think her book would be very exciting. >> you think it's fiction? >> yes. >> she made a great story out of it. >> let me talk about it. got to take a commercial break. let's go now to the defense side. jose bias as st

jon: i wonder, donald, if you can comment on what dr. baden was talking about just now, the admission of this sniffer machine evidence. i mean, it seemed to me that with cadaver dogs and just george anthony's own experience and so forth, the prosecution had quite a bit of evidence that there'd been human decomposition in that trunk, and why bring in a machine that's never been admitted before into evidence? >> well, look, dr. baden has his point of view because he's a doctor, he's into science. but this case was never about science. if you notice that jeff ashton made his closing argument start with a story, a very compelling story about the lies that were told by casey anthony. and he spent a little bit of time on the science. today when he spoke again he spent a little bit of time in the science, and then this case was closed with fire and brimstone about the common sense arguments. it wasn't about the science. now, the prosecution has to put in some scientific evidence. i mean, they're duty-bound to do that. but jeff ashton even said, look,

patti ann: that is what dr. badenier and that's what the alternate juror pretty much said. john, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> let's go to mark furman. mark, linda drane burdick one of the prosecutors when giving the closing argument she was afraid common sense would be lost in all the testimony and the length of this trial. is that what you think happened? >> absolutely. i think these jurors went into that room and they were so inundated with exactly the weight of this trial, and this ridiculous assumption that reasonable doubt is some kind of miss call kind of level of jurisprudence that somehow only jurors can see. they do it every day when they deal with their kids, their bosses their own life. it's common sense. when you have a set of circumstances that lead you to one point, that is not reasonable doubt. that is reasonable guilt. and this is, i don't think the jury did their job. you listen to this alternate juror. you listened to him. he said, one hair in the trunk didn't prove that the caylee anth

when a great discussion with dr. baden regarding cause of death.'t provide the doctor the medical examiner could not provide a cause of death. you are throwing into the jury box she is a slut, liar, bum, a liar, a liar and i want you to conclude that she has to be a murderer. i was smart for jose baez to take that on closing. >> greta: it doesn't moon she is innocent, does it diana? >> i totally agree. but i gotta say, the more and more i hear from the alternate juror that has come forward, the more it sounds like i was wrong, wrong all the way what long and the defense was doing a great job and the jury was buying what the defense was selling. it didn't sound like this was just a we don't quite believe. it sounds like they actually believed the defense's theory. i got to i go credit where due they did an amazing job i did not see coming. -- >> greta: listening to jury, i agree in part. ted, in these cases the jury really does take the jury instructions seriously. you can walk out of the courtroom and think she is the worst murderer there is. but i

dr. michael baden.hen the body was first found yesterday they weren't able to say officially if it was female. they have determined that it was a woman. >> reporter: oh, yes. jon: you say they have determined whether it's lauren or not. >> reporter: they found her sunday evening. by monday, yesterday they had determined who it was, because if it's lauren the police had obtained the dental records right at the beginning of the missing report, and the quickest way to identify somebody is from comparing dental records with the individual that is found. and if it's lauren they knew that yesterday, and it depends on when they want to give that information out. they tell the family first. jon: of course when i first heard about it i thought, well it has to be lauren, how many other women could go missing but it turns out there is another woman missing in that general area, a much older woman, a grandmother, but based on the state of decomposition they couldn't tell much about this body. >> reporter: they don'

dr. jill biden, the wife of the vice president is going to be at that game along with chelsea clinton, and chelsea clinton grew up playing soccer. we're over at the u.s. army garrison in wease badened, they know all the names and they can held you about hope solo or abby wanbach, i said they are girls or women and they say no, they're great soccer players. that's really the significance of the 2011 team. the '99 team, they sort of ignited a soccer movement n u.s. but these they're really looked at at what they do. they're going to go up against a scrappy japan team tomorrow night. >> people are watching team usa because they are just great athletes with a great team doing a great job right now. and as you were mentioning, getting a lot of attention, especially with social media, i think you were reporting that a lot of other sports stars are now even following hope solo. >> lebron james have tweeted about the soccer team. he has tweeted about the women's soccer team, it's really catching a lot of attention. that's why it's so great, it's a peer to peer relationship, you've got some of the best male athletes, not only in the country but in the world, who are saying, we're behind y