shirk and dr. bates, thank you for being here today. i have a question. how much did the federal government say with equal benefits compared to the private sector. -- private-sector? >> i did not look at benefits specifically. if you like, i can get it later. but putting benefits together, we save $47 billion this year under my account. >> i think that is about right. >> thank you. excuse me for a second. miss kelly, your union represents a cross-section of federal workers who perform key functions of government. if they pay fees is enacted, how many we do have in federal service? i cannot give you -- >> i cannot give you an exact answer. many who have been eligible to retire and plan to stay are now talking about leaving. i think we will see real numbers in the foreseeable future. but i could not give you a number today. >> i have a general question. any of you can answer it. the president has talked about freezing pay for two years. does this include within great staff adjustments at 3% a year? >> no, it does not cover those at all. it is purely the cos