dr. behnke, it was who put those other people secretly in the room?e now know it was doctors anton cuture. amy: why were psychologists so important to this whole process? what was happening with the psychiatrists of the united states? what was happening with other positions? >> this is where it can get complicated sometimes. i want to try to express this as clearly as possible. in the enhanced interrogation program, you had two rolls for health professionals. these roles were conjoined. the first role was designing and implement in the tactics. that is what james mitchell and jane -- bruce jessen did. the second role is this monitoring indemnification role, to say we have not crossed this threshold of severe and long-lasting hm. now that role changes throughout the program. it begins with making sure line has a been crossed. amy: explain his role. >> he was assistant attorney general for the office of legal counsel. john yew worked for him in that office, and he was responsible for primarily crafting the first torture memo. amy: at the university cali