dr. john bennet, have really worked to reduce barriers to primary care and improve chronic disease care in that way. and it is a win for everybody. >> we talked a lot about innovation, and so for mr. cavanaugh, and mr. micklos, given your work with providers and experiences at hhs, could you share with us the importance of patient involvement and consumer education to the success of innovative health care models? >> certainly. when i was at cms, and we were initially kicking off the whole aco program, there was a lot of speculation. >> would acos want sick patient ors would they want well patients? which way would they select? and now i'm in the aco business, what i learned is acos want is engaged patients. the doctors don't care if you're sick, healthy, but if you're engaged, it makes the physician's job so much easier. so we're con tantly looking for ways to engage the patient, working with community organization, religious organizations, anything that motivates the patient. trying to address issues beyond the medical issues that are recall important to the patient. because if they see t