dr. brzezinski and begin had the same background, they had the same sort of history even though dr. know, more towards sadat. i thought that was a fascinating footnote. but they got together at camp david, and they were able to sit there and talk about things they had in common, this common history, and there was enough time. you're right, bob, because they were up there. they were playing chess. there's that famous picture of dr. brzezinski playing chess against begin. they had a chance to do a deal. >> and it was a great achievement. and i remember asking somebody, not dr. brzezinski about this who worked for carter, and i said, how did you do this? he said, look, if you, too, had been locked up at camp david with jimmy carter for 13 days, you would have signed it. >> exactly! exactly! and by the way, my dad plays chess with people, and he gets inside their head. you know how they think. >> yes. >> if you know how they play chess. i'm terrible at it. >> that's one of the accomplishments of the last era. >> yeah. it was fascinating. fascinating time. >> that reminded me of a famous