dr. brzezinski and david ignatius back together.sident obama a can do to get vladimir putin's attention. but first, bill karins, what's the weather going to be like? >> epic amounts of rainfall in southern alabama and this is from the pensacola area last night. i-10 has been shut down for the last eight to nine hours, people stuck in their cars, can't move, just waiting for the water to recede. there is literally a river running over i-10. weep just got word that they're going to open it quickly. maybe they did already. those pictures from mobile, that's a man clinging from a tree and the firefighter rescuing him. how harrowing is that? a weather watching outside of downtown pensacola, he had for the entire rainfall event, 24 1/2 inches of rain. no wonder that are dealing with historic event in the pensacola area. the fish river in southern alabama, that one just crested. that's good. a lot of rescues going on there. we could see isolated in virginia, north carolina, south carolina today and of course the northeast is cold and soggy

dr. brzezinski. he's the author of "strategic vision: america and the crisis of global power." dr. ing, joe. >> even if your daughter is -- we don't know. in the south of france again this morning. she hops around. if only she had my work ethic, dr. brzezinski. that's a joke, of course. a big joke. your daughter is the hardest working woman in show business as you glare at me. >> well, joe, i was watching you and your colleague and i thought your colleague looked a little different than mika. i was going to say mika, you look different. >> trust me, mika would never wear a suit as tacky as donnie deutsch's this morning. we had jane harman on last hour. you know jane. former congresswoman from california, also head of the wilson center. she said that barack obama can no longer lead from behind on the ukraine. this morning "the wall street journal" says vladimir putin uses russian forces to steal territory while mr. obama agonizes about what to do. are those fair characterizations? >> basically, yes. i think more needs to be done, because what putin is trying to do is to destabilize p

dr. brzezinski said yesterday, that would be a big step. that's involvement. that's military involvement in the situation. >> turning to home, the front page of "the new york times" talks about a unit that was under fierce criticism over the past year of being dropped by the nypd. >> yeah, this is very interesting. here in new york, the largest police force in the country is turning over a new leaf. according to the "the new york times," the nypd is abandoning a controversial surveillance program that had plain clothes officers spying on muslim communities in the city. it was put in place following the attacks of 9/11 was known as the demographics unit. detectives in the unit kept detailed files on where people in the muslim communities prayed and shopped but as the "times" points out, quote, after years of collecting information, the police acknowledge that it never generated a lead. and the department's efforts never led to any charges that a mosque or islamic organization was itself a terrorist enterprise. the mood marks a policy shift under mayor de blasio

dr. brzezinski, there was never any question.ow that on the set of where he stood. so either around this set or around cabinet tables or the roosevelt room. >> or the dinner table. >> or the dinner table. exactly. >> all right. let's go to talk politics, shall we? with the fate of the democratic-controlled senate on the line in the upcoming midterms, both parties have their yies on a tight race in arkansas. this is an interesting one. kasie hunt. according to polls, the race is neck and neck. now the cotton campaign is looking to capitolize on the recent comments made by pryor made in an interview with kasie. >> how do you view his tours in afghanistan and iraq? >> total respect for that. i appreciate that. i will never criticize anyone for serving our country and say thank you for that. >> but you don't see it as a request fgs to become senator? >> no. there's a lot of people in the senate that didn't serve in the military. in the senate we have all kinds of different people. all kinds of different folks that have come from all

dr. brzezinski even saying the president has to have a tougher response.ane harman, former democratic congresswoman, saying the same thing. that the president's not being tough enough. nick kristof saying ukrainians will never forgive us if we let them down. a lot of harsh criticism directed at barack obama. is that fair? >> a lot of it is. the general outlines in the administration is right. what's missing is the degree of urgency and intensity. where is pushing exports of oil and gas helping europeans develop their own shale industry. that part is not in play. why not push ahead with more sanctions? why sanction just the largest financial institution? why isn't senator kerry essentially setting up shop in -- i'm sorry. secretary of state kerry. >> why would you target 16 instead of one through fife? what's going on? >> it was to keep this measured. >> the guy is moving eastward towards kiev. how measured does barack obama want to be? >> again, you want to do more there. what the russians are doing is what i would call intervention without invasion. what

dr. brzezinski came on suggesting he's not doing enough in ukraine. jane harman also critical.ou're hearing and i'm sure it's not just in the united states, i'm sure in britain overseas also you're hearing a rising chorus of critiques about this president's foreign policy that he just doesn't seem to have follow through. >> you're hearing it from the establishment. but you've got to counter that with the vast majority of the american electorate that doesn't want this president to be spending time abroad or engaged abroad or using american military assets abroad after more than ten years of war americans are very ready to come back home. and this president realizes that. what he's trying to focus on is getting jobs and growth back here in america. now, he keeps getting drawn off course and maybe as president and commander in chief rather than just letting himself get drawn off course by what happens in ukraine and syria, by events in asia, he should be shaping some of those events. that would mean america being more proactive. as your dad suggested last week, mika, perhaps givin

dr. brzezinski said. you cannot defeat the russians with pancakes.aid that. >> but we can support non-lethal support. like fuel. they ran out of fuel for awhile. >> i think it's quite possible ukraine gets smaller. i think i talked to the ukrainian leadership last week that they let some part of the country fall into russia's orbit. as nick said, they need things like sleeping bags. they need some basic things as well as advanced weaponry if they stand a chance. and where are ground troops going in by nato with contributions by the u.s. going into the baltic states. that's the message that the west wants to send to putin is don't go farther yet. >> all right. before we go to break, you know that secretary kerry is good friends with my dad. they have a lot in common. they have one more thing in common can. >> what's that? >> dogs that don't listen. young out of control dogs that don't listen. this is take your child to work day. look at him. and he doesn't have kids left because they're all grown up. he brought his dog. >> reminds me of rudy giuliani'

dr. jeffrey sachs. and in washington senior fellow back with us ian brzezinski.ll get to details in a moment. but first, more than a dozen people dead after a series of tornadoes tore through the middle of the country. the worst of the damage appears to be in arkansas. officials have confirmed 16 people were killed in the suburbs of little rock. the state is reporting widespread damage with the area now being compared, as you can see, to a war zone. 12k3 >> i saw some of the biggest trees turned upside down and houses picked up and put on cars. it's a mess. >> at least one person was killed in oklahoma by another tornado. several other states experienced severe storms as well. and there even more bad weather expected later today. let's check in now with the weather channel's mike seidel. mike? >> good morning, mika. we're out here in may flower, arkansas. a tornado, a strong tornado rolled right through here across interstate 40 yesterday. about 7:35. and the death toll alone in this state now at least 16. look at this damage. this is an rv store or was. it looks

dr. brzezinski on talking about this and looking at the makeup of the world leader that putin has become getting used to him for decades now. and we know what happened during the bush administration and the invasion in georgia. there are still russian troops that remain in georgia. what this means and figuring out the importance to putin. is it money or renationalization? they care about the economy. >> and if you look at it from a reality base therapy, from the point of view of the president of the united states and the secretary of state of the united states, the ukraine in reality is far more important to russia than it is to the west especially to the united states. and extensively your allies. they're all afraid of having the heat shut off. germany and the rest of europe. so let's cut a deal. >> we haven't talked about putin's call-in show yesterday where edward snowden called in. >> first time caller. >> we're going to continue this conversation ahead. when we take an in-depth look at what motivates vladimir putin. we'll be right back. ♪ cars are driven by people. they're why we in

dr. brzezinski coming on talking about how the united states should at least verbally ask the ukrainiansg as much. is that is viable option that we actually start talking about the possibility of arming the ukraines? >> the president at one point when we talk about syria has allowed his secretary of state and others to make strong and assertive statements. advised we should think about this. i think they probably went too far suggesting congress should look at all this after they signalled one thing. but i think fundamentally we have to decide what we want. and has to involve congress in the conversation in a serious way. and if so, if we decided we want to stop russia where they are now, then perhaps we have to give a stronger consideration to arming the ukrainians or giving them an ability to push back. what has not been articulated is what are our goals. to enlist russia more so on our side. or are we going to -- are we willing to -- >> i mean, is that an option? putin has not helped in syria or iran. >> presumably we're not being stronger against him in ukraine because we understand

dr. brzezinski also, came on and were critical of the president saying he's not being tough enough, not goingen't there sanctions on i think jane talked about one of the oil companies would have a significant impact on russia's economy. what are the negative side effects of doing something like that? because if it were this easy, the president would have already done it. >> correct. their strategy is to deter russia. if they go in, they're going to sanction. but if they do that, then putin's going to dig in. believe me, i dealt with the guy. that's going to make him dig in. >> did you ever arm wrestle him bare chested? take your shirts off and arm wrestle? >> no. the congressman, they have a good relationship. he didn't really like me, frankly. >> so he looked deep into your eyes and he did like the soul that he saw? unlike george w. bush. >> he thought i was too interested in freedom and liberty, if you want to know the truth. but back to the president. i mean, this talk of toughness if i could add a little historical perspective. do you know how many russian officials the bush administratio