dr. bullard. dr. d: well, i think the issue for many of us who have been working with communities in many years and houston -- houston is that oftentimes there is no level of transparency as to what the regular person on the street understands how the decisions are being made and how plans are being developed. the whole idea of trying to get a sense of will money follow need or will money follow power? mitigation, the flood mitigation is very important that we talk about rebuilding and recovering in a way that we don't reproduce the inequalities that existed before. when we talk about environmental justice standpoint, it has to be fair and equitable and flooding plus. it's not just flooding issues that we are concerned about. it's also about those upsets and restarts and shutdowns of these industries that created lots of pollution during the storm, but also emitted lots of pollution before the storm. that's what we have to deal with, the lack of addressing the environmental problems, the superfund site