dr. cantor, your plumber when he was photographing your sewer line, has he suggested whether or not he thinks it's the city's problem or yours? >> i know it's not the city's. commissioner garcia: even though it's on the street -- >> it's under the sidewalk, it's not out in the sidewalk. because we're really looking -- commissioner garcia: it's ok. i was curious for your sake whether you'd be saving money if the city were to get involved. >> of course i would. i even called my insurance company and said could you help me out here? that's not in list of things they do. but we went straight down from that sidewalk, that's one of the ways into your pipes is to go straight down from the sidewalk, that's even mine and that was full of roots, just the vertical. but then when we went on the horizontal down between the building and the sidewalk, there is one location where the guy said the roots seemed to be -- and it's just where the pipes join. president peterson: dr. kantor, on that note, if this board were to reverse the urban forestry's position and denial, would you be willing to fix your sewer