dr. carhart agreed. that when you pull out a piece of the fetus, let's say an arm or a leg and remove that at the time just prior to the removal of the portion of the fetus the fetus is alive. dr. carhart has observed fetal heartbeat, via ultrasound, with extensive parts of the fetus removed. and testified that mere dismemberment of a limb does not always cause death because he knows of a physician who removed the arm of a fetus only to have the fetus go on to be born as a living child with one arm. at the conclusion of a d&e-abortion no intact fetus remains and dr. car hart's words the abortion is left with a tray full of pieces. and then justice kennedy goes on. in a supreme court case. the fetus in many cases dies just as a human adult or child would. it bleeds to death as it is torn limb from limb. and to say that you support a woman's right to choose is one thing, to say that you might want to give health care to people is another thing. but for anybody to say that procedure and what you just descri

dr. carhart's words the abortionist is left with a tray full of pieces. and then justice kennedy goes in a supreme court case, the fetus in many cases dies just as a human adult or child would. it bleeds to death as it is torn and to say that you support a women's right to choose is one thing. to say that you might want to give health care to people is another thing. but for anybody to say that procedure and what you just described is humane, that that doesn't go too far, that's not too brutal, that is humane and acceptable, just defies my imagination. i couldn't imagine that happening to one of my pets much less an unborn child. and then when i look, mrs. smith, i know you state that you're with -- your associate research scholar in law and senior fellow and director for program for the study of reproductive justice at yale law school and i know you're here in your own personal capacity today. but i just wonder, does yale have any study for the rights of individuals like mrs. jessen or miss odhen to be born without cerebral palsy? because there was a lot

dr. carhart's words, the abortionist is left with a tray full of pieces. justice kennedy said the fetus in many cases dies just as a human adult or child would, it bleeds to death as it is torn from limb from limb. ms. smith, do you believe this practice represents a humane way to die? >> let me separate which i think something that's getting confused here in this hearing again and again, which is procedures performed on pre-viable fetuses and procedures that are formed on viable fetuses. both of the women here on this panel are here today because they were viable at the time the procedures were performed. what you're talking about is pre-viability procedures performed on a fetus that cannot survive outside the mother. >> maybe, maybe not. justice kennedy was talking about a child that was born alive with only one arm because the other had been pulled off already in the abortion procedure. my question to you, is are you going to answer it, is this a humane way to die? >> i believe for a fetus pre-viable fetus, yes, a d&e procedure is a very humane procedur

dr. carhart agreed. when you pull out a piece of the fetus, let's say an arm or a leg and remove that at the time just prior to the removal of the portion of the fetus, the fetus is alive. dr. carhart has observed fetal heartbeat, via ultrasound, with extensive parts of the fetus removed. and testified that mere dismemberment of a limb does not always cause death because he knows of a physician who removed the arm of a fetus only to have the fetus go on to be born as a living child with one arm. at the conclusion of a d&e abortion no intact fetus remains and dr. carhart's words the abortion is left with a tray full of pieces. and then justice kennedy goes on. in a supreme court case. the fetus in many cases dies just as a human adult or child would. it bleeds to death as it is torn limb from limb. and to say that you support a woman's right to choose is one thing. to say that you might want to give health care to people is another thing. but for anybody to say that procedure and what you just described i