dr. carr. perhaps you covered this earlier. as the accreditation of the examiner's office ever been a concern bell or in jeopardy? >> it has been continuous, to my understanding, for over 20 years. it is only reason seat -- recently,

dr. carr. perhaps you covered this earlier. as the accreditation of the examiner's office ever been a concern bell or in jeopardy? >> it has been continuous, to my understanding, for over 20 years. it is only reason seat -- recently, during the last accreditation, that we had the issue regarding the facility and were told that if we did not seek a suitable replacement, we would lose accreditation. supervisor mirkarimi: how does a warning like that come to be? does that, in a visit by the state or national authorities? is it a three month warning? of one year morning? describe what it looks like. >> the actual inspection is a plan to inspection by the national association of medical examiner inspector. it is a rather extensive process. the physical plant is only one part of it. at the end of the inspection they write a written report, which is provided to the jurisdiction, a summary of their findings. the main deficiency that was found for our office in the last inspection was the physical plant. at that time we were still able

dr. erin carr jordan who is professor of developmental psychology in arizona.me now from lacrosse, wisconsin via skype. wow, what a project you have taken here. you're a mother of four. this is really become a crusade of yours. what suddenly opened your eyes to all of this? >> well, i had dropped off my daughters one morning and was on my way to take my son to school, and he's three. he had just started or finished potty training, and he said he had to go to the bathroom. like any mom i pulled over immediately, and the closest place was a mcdonald's. in we went, and when we were done, he asked if he could use the slide. he went up and my littlest one followed him in and they're so small they would tumble down the slide so i followed them. it was immediate upon entering that i noticed it was absolutely appalling. it was covered in filth and grime and dirt and garbage and rotting food. it was everything that you would never, ever want a child to play in. when i went back over and over again to see if they were making corrective changes and realized they weren't,

carr. the defense presented dr. furton who is experienced in this area, not as experienced as dr. vass, because dr. furton's area is in individual scents, the scents that you and i give off in life as individuals. some of the students study human decomposition. he admit thad the odor coming from the car was from human decomposition. he tried to present alternative sources of decomposition, such as milk or cheese. but ultimately he had to admit that the items that were in the car, that is the garbage, wasn't sufficient. i guess it was dr. huntington, the bug guy, who tried to talk about is there was maybe salami and remember i showed it to him, it was a piece of paper. dr. furton tried to talk about the cheese and the vel vitae packages. there was a tiny residue in it. and ultimately even he agreed that what was in that garbage was not sufficient. we have exploded the myth of the garbage as a source of this odor. even dr. furton admitted that, no, this garbage wasn't sufficient to give the odor that was found on these items and, in fact, the odor that was still present by the testi