chapman. in 1977, he was the chief medical examiner for the state of oklahoma. well, dr. chapman learned that gary gilmore had been learned to be killed by firing squad over the electric chair, he lamented with his colleagues in the field of corrections that both of those options seemed terrible and inhumane. he said it was ridiculous the technology that we had in this country to put people to death. quote, he said, we kill animals more humanely than we kill people. that's what dr. jay chapman said at the time. this is a chart showing how much we've used different methods of execution throughout the history of our country. all that red, that's either hanging or firing squad. you can see by 1977, booet of those methods were on their way out of fashion. leading up to that decade-long moratorium on the death penalty, we really preferred electrocution. that's all the yellow on this graph. that was basically the default method, the electric chair. but around this time period, by the late 1970s and early 1980s, when the death penalty was coming back, we were struggling to justif

dr. jeremy chapman is a renal physician here and past president of the international transplantation society>> this january we did in a period of three weeks, one quarter of the whole year's transplants. on a daily basis, we're much busier. you saw the clinic today. it was chaos. that's great. love chaos. organized chaos. >> if you were to give australia a badge, what would you give it? >> i think we have had the badge for most improved in the last ca couple of years. >> and damian would agree. he's indulging in what was for so long a forbidden pleasure. >> oh, it's fantastic. something i've dreamed about for, well, for ten years. >> just days ago, damian received a call at 5:10 a.m., a kidney from a deceased donor was a perfect match. he is grateful to the family of that donor and conscious of a debt he will do his best to repay. >> as much as i've benefitted from, you know, the sadness in their life, it's just -- i'm only 40 years of age. so at 40 years old, i've got so many years ahead of me. and instead of treading water for the last decade, the last quart quarter of my life, they got me