dr. cheryl sanders and reverend dr. braxton. we want to speak about a theme hope. and there are a lot of people this time of year starting to take stock of their lives. and in some cases they feel as though they have fallen on hard times they are hungry in many cases. homeless in many cases. and hope might be hard to come by. what is the message for folks who are feeling hopeless? >> well, i think it is to really share or as preacher and to people around us that we become hope in people's lives. it is an idea in some ways but it becomes manifest among us as we reach out and share. and i think we have to tell the people who we serve that it is -- it is up to us to bring that love of god into the world and to be hope for other people and to be with people who are in despair. you know, sometimes we have a hard time i think going to difficult places with people. but allowing ourselves to be present and to continue to be hopeful with people who are in despair. >> and i think the other part t sharing part makes a difference. >> yeah. >> you will find that the christian f