dr. chilton? > mariana chilton: well, i think there's an enormous amount of shame that goes, especially when -- i work with moms of little children, young children. and there's an enormous amount of shame that they experience that they may run out of money before they can get more food. and it really tests their sense of motherhood, their sense of citizenship, of belonging. and it's very isolating. and i think that when the moms that i speak with, they talk about when they were children they, too, were hungry and they were always told, "don't talk about it. don't let anybody know how hard it is. always put on a good face. always look good," you know, it's about being able to be in the world and be treated with a sense of dignity and respect. so they would often hide their own experiences of hunger or hide the experience that they can't feed their own children. >> bill moyers: do we sometimes pass hunger down as a legacy to the next generation? >> mariana chilton: oh yes, we do. it gets transferred