dr. chuck wexler. the police executive research forum. welcome, dr. wexler. >> thank you ms. robinson, and mr. ramsey and the panel. it's good to be here, again. and i also want to thank my fellow panel members for participating. thank you for the opportunity to offer my perspectives on the important issues of labor management issues. i am the executive director of the police executive research forum. i have held that position for over 20 years. you've asked me to focus my testimony today on building trust and collaboration between police executives labor leaders and elected officials. when we talk about improving policing, the relationship between labor and management is an area that has been neglected for too long. historically labor and management have often viewed each other with suspicion. it often has seemed that they see each other as warring factions and treat each other as the enemy. and as recent events have shown us, everyone loses when labor and management fail to work together. especially people in the community and the officers on the street. fortunately, this w

dr. wexler. i want to ask jim pasco if he wanted to weigh in on this again. >> well it's very discomforting to disagree with chuck wexler once in an afternoon, but here i am agreeing twice. >> we can keep it off the record, if you would like. >> that would be appreciated. i've got a job, too, you know. i think that what i wanted to say when chuck was finished, okay, let's go sell it. that's where i left off. that's what we've got to do. he makes a point. we within the fop for the last 12 or 14 years have been putting on a leadership seminar for newly elected state and local fop officers. and it's a four-day seminar. and we try to teach them how to interact with management with, you know, to getting to success. how to -- how to message to their members so they'll understand what they're doing. and how to -- how to interact with the public from a public standpoint, so they'll understand the police perspective without, you know, pyrotechnics. we have found it to be very successful. you see it's an incremental process. it isn't going to happen overnight. but if you look at cities and when we talk about cooperation an