dr. coburn, medical doctor. senator, doctor, thank you for joining us this christmas weekend and happy new year to you. >> happy new year to you. >> chris: up next, religious and politics. we discuss both with cardinal donald wuerl, the archbishop of washington. into revolutionary performance. one word makes the difference between defining the mission and accomplishing the mission. one word makes the difference in defending our nation and the cause of freedom. how... is the word that makes all the difference. and word is people really love got our claims service.ffice gecko: 'specially the auto repair xpress. repairs are fast and they're guaranteed for as long as you own your car. boss: hey, that's great! is this your phone? gecko: yeah, 'course. boss: but...where do you put...i mean how do you...carry... waitress: here you go. boss: thanks! gecko: no, no i got it, sir. anncr: geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. >> chris: it's always an honor to talk with our next guest, especially at

dr. coburn and another. i could not be more wrong. you have been constructed. i thank you for that. dr. cockburn has become my doctor and my friend. nobody's staff has been more helpful to us than his staff. he has pursued this with logic each and every step. thank you for all you have done. we will go to you, dr. coburn. >> always like to thank you for your efforts. i would also like to recognize a might staff who have gone a lot of slick -- who have gone a lot of sleepless nights trying to develop a product. as a physician, i am frame to find the real problem. at what is the real problem? not the symptoms. what is the real disease? the real disease is a we have abandoned the concept of our founders. we have created reliance instead of depending on self-reliance. we have created government programs that are unaffordable. we have abandoned limited government. we have abandoned enumerated powers. now we are in trouble. nobody is looking at what the real problem is. the real problem is us. alexander tyler said, "all republics fail." the average length is 200 years. they all fail over fisc

dr. coburn and another. i could not be more wrong. you have been constructed. i thank you for that. dr. cockburn has become my doctor and my friend. nobody's staff has been more helpful to us than his staff. he has pursued this with logic each and every step. thank you for all you have done. we will go to you, dr. coburn. >> always like to thank you for your efforts. i would also like to recognize a might staff who have gone a lot of slick -- who have gone a lot of sleepless nights trying to develop a product. as a physician, i am frame to find the real problem. at what is the real problem? not the symptoms. what is the real disease? the real disease is a we have abandoned the concept of our founders. we have created reliance instead of depending on self-reliance. we have created government programs that are unaffordable. we have abandoned limited government. we have abandoned enumerated powers. now we are in trouble. nobody is looking at what the real problem is. the real problem is us. alexander tyler said, "all republics fail." the average length is 200 years. they all fail over fisc

dr. coburn and i've listened to senator demint and i've listened to so many republicans talk about deficit reduction, deficit reduction, deficit reduction, and the tiny little fig leaf they are hiding behind is the complete fallacy that a small differential in personal tax rates to people on their second million dollars of income is going to create jobs. it's not going to create jobs. people who are making more than than $1 million are not going to take a 3% personal tax cut differential and create jobs with that. job creation occurs with small businesses. it occurs with people in the middle class. it doesn't occur when someone has another $100 grand to put in their investment fund or another 300 grand to put in their investment fund. it is -- and i think people really need to understand that we voted to give -- 53 senators voted to give a tax cut to everyone, everyone. i don't care how rich you are because you get a tax cut on your first million dollars of income. so even if you make $3 million, you're getting a tax cut. you make $5 million, you're getting the tax cut. you make $10 millio

dr. coburn best. we have to face up to it. most members of this commission think that what we have done is taken eight really important first step along a long, difficult path. america faces a financial crisis. we have to bring this debt down. that means tough choices. it means difficult decisions. i think the members of this commission are prepared to make those difficult decisions. i am proud of that. >> i am very proud, too. it was a sincere and honest appraisal of things by each of them. you cannot beat that kind of discussion, debate, and comedy. if the american people watched any of that assault that, that is what they have been waiting for. when are you people going to sit down and talk in an adult way and do something? this was an example of that. >> are you continuing to lobby your members? >> i would not use the word lobby. we have not pleaded with anybody for any votes. it sounded to me that you counted better than i did, but it sounded like seven people today said they were for it. interestingly to me, it was three

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senator coburn, known as dr. no said pass the plan, if you pass it by 14 of the 18 votes it would have forced congress to cut spending by $4 trillion. this is what he said. >> the time for action is now. the threat is real. it's urgent. we cannot wait until another election. we can't wait until we get more of what we want. >> chris: congressman, didn't you waste a chance here to back up your rhetoric and force an up-or-down vote that may not have been perfect but would have made progress cutting the deficit this month? >> chris, definite is the symptom. spending is is the disease. there are a number of elements about the plan that i like but at the end of the day it still unfortunately represents $2 trillion tax increase on the american people and does not fundamentally address the key driver of the national fiscal crisis, and that is healthcare. yes, i want to do something soon. i have been working for eight years since i came to congress. i have co-sponsored paul ryan's roadmap for america's future, solutions t

senator dick durbin of illinois and certified conservatives like senator tom coburn from oklahoma, who was once known as dr. no, actually saying yes to the same thing. that is what we are looking for. they didn't leave their principals at the door when they sat down at the table to talk about their fiscal future but they found a way forward together. host: but most of the folks, they even rejected the principals -- guest: not true. 18 commissioners and 11 said yes. technically, 14 were required and you did not get 14 out of 18 people in washington setting gas on a joint plan for where to have lunch. the fact that you had the most of the senators from both political parties -- elected officials, not appointees -- signing on the plan was surprising and a career -- and it provides a foundation on which future fiscal discussions can be built. host: the mechanics of the no labels, where you go from the formal opening? guest: this is what i would like to see happening. this is a very loose group. i don't know if it has a lot of the traditional apparatus of executive control and leadership, so i speak only for my

senator dick durbin of illinois and certified conservatives like senator tom coburn from oklahoma, who was once known as dryes to the same thing. that is what we are looking for. they didn't leave their principals at the door when they sat down at the table to talk about their fiscal future but they found a way forward together. host: but most of the folks, they even rejected the principals -- guest: not true. 18 commissioners and 11 said yes. technically, 14 were required and you did notet 14 out of 18 people in washington setting gas on a joint plan for where to have lunch. the fact that you had the most of the senators from both political parties -- elected officials, not appointees -- signing on the plan was surprising and a career -- and it provides a foundation on which future fiscal discussions can be built. host: the mechanics of the no labels, where you go from the formal opening? guest: this ishat i would like to see happening. this is a very loose group. i don't know if it has a lot of the traditional apparatus of executive control and leadership, so i speak oy for myself. one, we need a change

senator dick durbin of illinois andie certifiedor conservatives like senator tom coburn from oklahoma whose was once known as "dr. no", actually saying yes to the same thing, that's what we're looking for. they didn't, they didn't leave their principles at the door whether they sat down at that table to talk about our fiscal future but d they found a way forward together. that's what we want. >> host: the commission, most of the folks there rejected its prince pills. >> guest: actually that ishe not true. there were 18 commissioners. 11 said yes to the plan. technically 14 weremi required. you don't get 14 out of 18ll people in washington, d.c. saying yes on a joint plan for where to have lunch, okay?n but the fact that you hadve most of the senators from both political parties, these are y elected officials now, not apunit pointees, signing onto the plan was surprising and encouraginghe and it provides a foundation upon which future fiscal discussions can be built. >> host:tu talk about the d mechanics of no labels. where do you go from the formal opening you had last, week? >> guest: here is what i would like