dr. alicia knight-debrady. this afternoon. >> thank you for having us. >> your book, gessie, is so inspirational. i was reading through it last night, and, you know, it was so much about, you know, the horrible medical problem you had, but it was also a book >> yes. >> ...and believing and really deciding, you know, what you >> yeah. >> 14 years. >> crazy, you know? >> at some point, you must have wanted to say, "enough. it's not worth it." but you didn't. >> mm. yes. >> why not? >> it's funny. we were just talking about this backstage. and, you know, after the fourth ivf cycle, we were nine years in. and, you know, you'd think by that time, somewhere along the line, you would stop. but really i -- my faith was like, "you know what? god, you have a plan for me. here?" 'cause i was at that point after that fourth ivf cycle and it didn't work where i wanted to give up. and i said, "you know what? what are we supposed to do here?" and we really -- my husband and i -- he's a real man of faith, a real man of prayer,