dr. derek kerr. several of the public speakers mentioned that ms. ellis had reported her error to you and to the fppc. she he herself had done it. if so, that's commendable and should be taken into consideration. usually these types of wrongdoing come to you or the fppc from a tip, from a whistle blower. and the wrongdoers who are exposed by whistle blowers instinctively try to ferret out who it is and toize the threat, just a threat. if this case came about through a whistle blower, i would be concerned about am i ellis' return to her position because that would constitute a risk, a threat to the whistle blower if there was one. ~ neutralize thank you. >> no voter action on number 5. so, moving on to number 6, discussion and possible action on the minutes of the commission's meeting of february 24, 2014. ~ on the minutes. i have one change i'd like to disclose. on page 4 of 6, it states that -- i think it's suggesting that i seconded the motion relating to the closed session, and i don't think i did. i thought i recused myself for that item. okay.

dr. derek kerr. i'm a little bit uncomfortable with the assumption that the members of the public are somehow inferior to any experts that you or a commission might want to engage in giving a presentation. so, it really depends on how much you value the public. and the ability to show a table or a graph gives one more power to express an idea. so, there has to be limits to conduct meetings. there has to be some structure, but the public should not be made inferior to architects, experts who come and speak to you. thanks. >> that's a good point, dr. kerr. >>> first and foremost, we have to have an understanding about three individuals. one is ray hartz. another is [speaker not understood], and james chafee. otto rich, astute, stellar individuals who are very well versed with the digital medium. now, most of their deliberation was not on point and it wasn't on point because what the city is doing not only the commissions, but even at the board of supervisors is depriving advocates, people with knowledg

dr. derek kirk. how do we know that every agency has a slip inside that box? ~ kerr >> because they're going to be read off by the member of the public who helps us to draw them. >>> i see he. >> any other public comment? okay. so, [speaker not understood] from our staff is going to administer this. can we have a volunteer? ~ from the public? anyone? dr. kerr? no? >>> [speaker not understood]. >> all you need to do is read off the names, put them in the box, read the names, pull them, put them in the box, and draw one out. >>> [speaker not understood]. >> can you pull the microphone so that we can hear you? >>> let's begin with activity level 1. what we'll do is we have these pieces of paper here ~. you'll be reading the names off of these pieces of paper. i can read them for you or you can read them and then you can check them off. >>> you read them and i'll check them off. >> and then what i'll do is i'll hand it to you so you can confirm what i read is correct and you can find it up and put it in the box. all right. so, the first one is sierra club san francisco b