dr. derek kurr. mr. ginsberg mentioned something about 300 e-mails a day. but, some of those are just junk e-mails and there are going to be inquiries about what time the park opens or the swimming pool closes. and we know that this was an important issue, this was not trivial matter. the individuals involved in this correspondence and this lobbying back and forth are important individuals in this city. this is not the kind of correspondence that one deletes because it is of no value as a record. one deletes this information to conceal what it contains. mr. wooding said that there is a bigger issue here. the bigger issue is one of ethics. now, this matter can be reduced and narrowed down to a technical, legal point. that will make it much easier to dismiss this case as virtually every other sunshine case has been dismissed. but, this is an ethics commission. it would be nice if there were a professional emphasis here. even so there isn't. it would be good if once in a while the ethical dimension of the behaviors that you are hearing about would be considere

dr. derek kurr. excluding public comment from the body of a minutes is really an act of disrespect. it is a statement that says that the members of the public are inferior, to the people on a particular commission or board or other body. and this is a wide-spread problem. and it will be so easily fixed many of the citizens who speak are extremely knowledgeable about the issues that they bring to your attention. so, it will be easy to just put the comments in the minutes and please everyone. >> i also want to speak in support of mr. hartz's point that if you do not find that some fault occurred, there is no reason for the library to not switch back to what they were doing before. because if they can get away by switching, and putting something in the body for a while, and just as easy they may decide not to do it, so really there should be some promise or some commitment from the agency to make the change a policy change, a permanent change. and thank you very much. >> who would have thought that ten years after the sunshine ordinance was adopted we would be arguing over a legal term