dr. derrick kerr. along with mr. rivero, i was one of the whistle blowers who exposed misappropriations in the gift fund that is at the root of this sunshine concern that mr. menat shaw has raised. what really struck us was the inordinate delays in getting our concern attended to, both by the ethics commission and the whistle-blower program. we also had complaints about department of public health contracts, conflicts of interests and those complaints took over two years to get resolved, at which time we had been driven out of the hospital. so having talked to almost a dozen other city whistle blowers, all of them experienced the same retaliation. there is no whistle blowers that could get away in one piece. so we have lingering concerns that the ethics commission is complicit in burying whistle-blower complaints and in enabling retaliation and destruction of whistle-blowers. i think it would help everyone, particularly the whistle-blowers, if you would release something and you can honor confidentiality, but you don

dr. derrick kerr again. another issue that comes up with these complaints and investigations is whether the ethics commission or the regulatory agency does anything? does any investigation? one way to find out is to request documents. the documents are not confidential. it's the information that is confidential. for example, if you request information about an fbi investigation, they might send you documents that are completely black with nothing except black on it. but you know that there is a document; that something was done. so if we ask for something, a document or some information, you could still give the public a document and hold onto the information. that way we know that something was done on paper, but that we can't have the information. thank you. >> commissioners, ray hart, director of san francisco open government. i think it's kind of circular reasoning or some sort -- i don't know how to describe it -- to say that because it took us two years to get to this point, it obviously wasn't willful