dr. carmine -- i'm going to probably miss on the last name. you might have to help me. difiglio. does that -- dr. carmine difiglio. does that sound about right? >> sounds about right. >> all right. anyway, he was asked to review the keystone xl pipeline project and comment on it as to whether or not it would help reduce gas prices in the united states. and i'll quote from his report. gasoline prices in all markets served by pad 1, the east coast, and 3, the gulf coast refiners would decrease. gasoline prices in all markets served by pad 1 in the east coast and 3, the gulf coast, would decrease, including the midwest. and that was by your expert, dr. difiglio, department of energy, june 22nd, 2011. so my question to you is, here we have rising gas prices putting a strain on our consumers, on businesses, on the economy, and yet the administration turns down a project that would help us reduce gasoline prices. why is that? >> first, let me say, i'm not aware of this report. so i can get back to you on that. but it is my understanding that as try to explain, that the gasoline prices i