dr. dillingham are just talking about the need to integrate

dr. dillingham, we heard general scovel agree that we need to get stakeholders involved. but that logjam did not free up until secretary lahood and administrator babbitt came into office. and then we started involving stakeholders. we started talking about near-term benefits, and we actually came up with a blueprint which chairman micah mentioned, many of the things that are in the bill that was signed into law in fact came from the task force, came from secretary lahood, randy babbitt and the acting administrator here today. so i think it's worth noting that much progress has been made since that day. i remember secretary lahood was nominated, he came to see me and he said, what are the challenges, aviation? and i said you have to do two things and you have to do it quickly. and one of the things is you've got to free up this mentality at the faa that we don't want the stakeholders involved, we don't want to hear from them. so to his credit and to the credit of the former administrator, mr. babbitt, and acting administrator who is here today, we have made progress. we ha