dr. diwan, you referred, i think, in your comments to structural trends of declining demand in the united states. could you elaborate on what you're talking about there? >> there's, obviously, the gasoline story, where we have more car efficiencies, but, also, we're seeing the residential heating fuel oil also declining and other product. cheap natural gas, cheaper coal, and the extension of the gas network will reduce the heating oil consumption too. you have a number of trends here for different fuels which are on the decline. but the biggest gain is, only, on the zlegasoline side, structurally. >> okay. let me ask about the closing of refineries. we've seen refineries being closed in the united states and hawaii and the virgin islands, even in europe. what is the, both the impetus for this and the results that we're seeing? are we in a circumstance where we're going to see higher prices for gasoline at the pump, because of shortage of refined product, even while we've got an ample supply of

diwan. let me ask a very quick final question for dr. gruenspecht since you mentioned heating oil in the northeast. i'm very concerned about pad one, as you pointed out. you talked about the refineries that are down on the east coast. can you talk about the correlation between that, if there is any, and what we're seeing in increased costs for home heating oil in the northeast. >> thank you. i don't think there's really much correlation. i describe the broader picture of gasoline and distillate and, you know, as senator brasso pointed out, distillate prices in wyoming are very high. i don't think this refinery issue this winter so far has been much of the issue. i would point out that in our -- we do a winter fuels outlook at the beginning of each winter. i think in october. and we did flag the, you know, the heating bills as being for oil users as being pretty significant. this upcoming winter -- >> right. >> -- and, you know, we've gotten a little bit of a break on the weather, and that's helped everybody, i think. it's come down a lit