dr. dupree. another report is quoting a businessprisoner saying that gray was trying to intentionally hurt himself. do you have an open mind at all to the possibility that police are not guilty here e or do you think this is selective leaking trying to defend them? >> well, look. i would say that anything is possible. we should definitely lock at the evidence. but at this point you have to say give the police credit for creativity. listen. this is not a guy who looked like he was wanting to hurt himself. he was crying out for help. he was a guy who was hurting wanting help. not a guy trying to hurt himself. also let's just be rational here. if in fact this guy was committing some bizarre act of suicide, the very first thing police would have said my god, i've never seen anything like this we arrest this guy and he killed himself inside our a van. and the only statement we've got from the police at this point turns out itself to be a lie because they've lied about how many times they stop. the onl