i think like dr. dysoner exposes -- because really twitter is the mechanism for cowards to express racism. they know no one is going to show up to their house and there are no consequences for that behavior. but at the same time i think that twitter allows in exposing the racism allowstous have these conversations. and we will not end racism until we have these very difficult conversations. and ignoring racism and pretending it doesn't exist does nothing to improve the lives and daily lived experiences of people of color. >> dr. dyson, you have the final word on this. your thoughts. >> i think she's right. miss maxwell has put her finger on the pulse here. we have to have an open honest conversation here. the reason the president can joke about it. i'm getting the truth across but doing it through humor because many white people are incapable of hearing the truth told by african-american people. and what's interesting, the jokes don't put them as the subject of the scorn or the object. they feel safe to eng