dr. eastman? >> you know, our organization didn't have those particular problems, but as our story has become more public, the number of communications i received seeking legal counsel have raised a concern that a lot of americans have expressed. is this limited to the irs1234 the stories -- irs? the stories about people having osha and atf and fbi starting investigations have got american citizens scared to death what their american government is capable of doing once they've crossed the threshold. this is the beginning of a thread on a sweater that is just unraveling, and americans are downright afraid of what's going on. we have got to restore the credibility of government as servants of the people rather than our masters as my colleague said. and the number of stories that i'm getting that indicates those greater concerns, i think, is deeply troubling. >> all right. dr. kenney? >> in answer to your question, definitely yes. >> all right. ms. martinek? >> and yes also. they had asked us to, ple

dr. eastman? >> we didn't have those particular problems but as this goalie's become more public of the communications i received seeking legal counsel have raised a concern a lot of americans have expressed pity if it is limited the irs the stories about people having osha starting investigations has citizens scared to death of what their government is capable of doing once they crossed the threshold that the cost. it's not just a virus. this is the beginning of this letter thread that is unraveling. americans are afraid of what is going on. and we have got to restore the credibility of government rather than the masters as our colleagues said. the number of stories i'm getting vindicates those concerns id is deeply troubling. >> in answer to your question, definitely yes. >> yes. they asked us to explain in detail the activities of the prayer meeting. also please provide the time of your organization spends on prayer groups as compared with the other activities in our organization. >> i would ag

dr. eastman, excuse me. you have proof that the irs, an individual or group of individuals irs committed a felony county approved to this, and nothing has occurred to seek or find justice, is that correct? >> that's correct. the federal law requires that we be notified if there's an indictment brought. we have not been. federal law allows us to request information about whether, the status of the investigation whether it's been productive or unproductive, and any action taken. we were refused any answer to that request as well. we have identified the possible -- came from with the irs. >> your donors are confidential but protected by law. you have proof that the irs leak your confidential government information to a group that opposes your point of view, and your donors were harassed as result of that, is that correct? >> yes. >> ms. martinek, right next door in iowa, i work with groups are similar to what you do in iowa. your board members, the irs told you that if you're bored signed a letter -- if you're

dr. eastman, thank you -- excuse me. you have proved that the irs and a group of individuals at the irs committed a felony, you have proof to this and nothing has occurred to see or find justice? >> correct. the federal law requires that we be notified if there is an indictment brought. we have not been. we were refused any answer to that request. we have identified the document came from within the i.r.s. >> you have proof the i.r.s. leaked your confidential donor information to a group that opposes your point of view and your donors or harassed as a result of that. is that correct? >> correct. >> the i.r.s. told you if your board signed a letter that if they would no longer protests, they could receive their tax- exempt status, it is that correct? >> that is correct. she said it was ready to go through. everything was in order. >> we have not heard any testimony that this is happening to groups that have the opposite views. to suggest these citizens are to blame for applying, i do not understand how anyone can make tha

dr. eastman's release of information, tax information. it is not inadvertent. there is more investigation to do. i have said many times in this know i am apeople retired police officer. 33 years as a cop. there is a lot of questions to ask here. when i asked mr. miller who he spoke about -- spoke with to find out who came up with the criteria all of you had to ,espond to, he did not remember first, but finally gave me the title of a person he spoke to. i finally said, what is the name? he said it was nancy marks. did any of you speak with nancy marks or receive any communication at all from her? mr. chairman, i was suggest that we think about having nancy marks appear in front of this panel to find out what she did. mr. miller could not remember at all what the conversation was about. that haveother names been brought up here today. i would just ask, if there are any other names from any other panelists -- do you have any other names of people you contacted that you spoke with, that you received e-mails, could you provide those? i will start with -- say your na

dr. eastman, when our daughters were disclosed a number of people called us expressing concern about that. the effort seems to have been designed to subject our donors to abuse and intimidation, to hold them accountable for donating to the cause of traditional marriage. more significantly for our purposes to chill them from donating again so that we could keep up the political fight we are in the middle of. there is an unbelievable chilling effect on what happened. >> i think that our organization, the questions were not quite as intrusive as the of the group's. but i was just overwhelmed by the sheer level of detail being requested. to try to go back and track that stuff down was very difficult. it was a very stressful thing, having to go through this. at this point out that i think about it, going back through, this was the paperwork, my files. when i look back through misinformation that has been sent to the irs and i hear about these 157 visits, i believe it was, between the head of the irs and president obama, i am very concerned, it makes me very nervous. was my group being discusse

dr. eastman, excuse me. you have proof that the i.r.s.n individual or a group of individuals at the i.r.s. committed a felony, you have proof to this. and nothing has occurred to seek or find justice, is that correct? >> that's correct. the federal law requires that we be notified if there is an indictment brought. we have not been. federal law allows us to request information about -- the status of the investigation, whether it's been productive or unproductive and any action taken. we were refused any answer to that request as well. we have identified that this document came from within the i.r.s. >> so, your donors are confidential, that is protected by law. you have proof that the i.r.s. leaked your confidential donor information to a group that opposes your point of view, and your donors were harassed as a result of that, is that correct? >> yes. >> all right. miss martingu quirks right next door in iowa i work with groups very similar to what you do in iowa. your board members -- the i.r.s. told you that if your board signed a lette

dr. eastman. next witness is dr. karen kenny, founder of the san fernando county tea party, a licensed psychotherapist practicing in southern california, and among her work, she's assisting returning veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. john adams knew facts are stubborn things. they are hidden, used as tools or weapons, but they wait for us. we have to seek them with the lamp of truth and put them into words. you and i speak different languages in this republic. you speak the language of power, of pens, purse, and gavel. i speak american grassroots. the language of liberty, through providence, property, and civic virtue. we seldom speak together about the rule of law unless it is ignored or violatedded, and now is such a time. i have a story that bridges the distance between my state of california and this capital. what i say here must be said here. pilgrims brought to this continent a lamp of light, persevering for freedom. we sit

dr. eastman. our next witness is karen kinee founder of the san fernando valley tea party.rapy p*eus practicing in southern california. she assists returning veterans who suffer from post traumatic stress disorder. you are recognized for five minutes. >> john adams knew the facts are stubborn things. in this district facts are hidden under the mantle of office. they get used as tools or weapons but they wait for us. we must seek them with the lamp of truth and put them into words. you and i speak different languages in this republic. you speak the language of power, of pen, purse and gaffe he will. i speak american grassroots, the language of liberty, through providence, and property and civic virtue. we seldom speak together about the rule of law unless it is ignored or violated, now is such a time. i have a story that pwreupbs t bridges the distance between the say the of california and this capitol. what i say here must be stayed here h. pill grams guided here by the pursuit of life within the words of moses and christ they persevered for righteous freedom. we sit here i