dr. eric gruin. he studied antiquity, the greeks and the romans and the syrians and the carthaginians and the merchants. -- persians. all of those people. but he says as we look out the can see people as different from ourselves as other and we would rather attribute bad feelings and demonize them as he was saying. use it up -- you set up 10 or 20 constructs in this postmodern world and it's scary but you think that there is another way to look at all of this. it is not us and them or black and white. >> well, what got me going -- as you said i am and ancient historian. not a historian in the modern world. i live in the modern world but i'm not an historian of it. public on the going is that the ancients are now getting the blame for all of this. there is a book published 3-4 years ago called world war, -- worlds war the 2500 shares between east and west. it refers to the conflict between the greeks and persians in this book traces all of our ethics conflicts to antiquity -- ethnic conflicts. be to d