dr. ferten said yes, i believe those chemicals are from a decompositional event. so does dr. vass. dr. ferten agrees that it's possibly human. that's what dr. vass says. they don't really disagree that much. on much of anything. other than the final conclusion, because dr. vass told you that when you combine the science with his experience and what he smelled in that can, the odor he has smelled for 30 years. i asked him, do you have an opinion, based upon all of that, as to whether that odor was from human decomposition. his answer was i can find no other plausible explanation. i would submit to you that dr. ferten's other explanation is not plausible. you know, counsel, in correct, wanted to just have dr. vass talk about the garbage from a photograph. without talking about what was actually there. i wanted dr. ferten to look at the garbage because i wanted you to see what was actually there. in his closing remarks, counsel made a claim that i would submit to you completely unsupports the evidence. he told you that these officers removed something from the garbage. that was absolutely