dr. franklin, for you? >> i'm delighted to be here among a friendly audience also i would like to see them a little bit closer of here but can you all here okay? that's the question. good, good. let us begin sounding rivals come a very interesting title. of course i have had many rivals in my lifetime including i wouldn't want to mention john adams but perhaps we could and his rivalry. you know, you mentioned this founding a rivalry between james madison, the father of the constitution, and james monroe. now how is it that jr founding rivals rather than founding friends, weren't all the founders really supportive of this great country, this new nation we created? >> they were patriots to a person but for many of them the had different ideas of what looked like and what it meant to be true to the principles of the revolution and what it meant to be patriots and to be an american. so i think we have developed this assumption over time that the founding fathers were hegemonic at the agreed on everything. if th

politician within two years was within the few years was taking us to war in europe franklin roosevelt doctor. dr new deal became franklin roosevelt dr win the war after world war two happened harry truman acquired a progressive president. wrote wound up taking us to war in korea and his domestic programs were consumed. by by the war lyndon johnson sitting on my first job was not his press like a peer. i was responsible for much of the domestic policy civil rights environmental message economic policy and all of that and suddenly with the escalation of the war in vietnam in one thousand nine hundred sixty i saw all those hopeful possibilities consumed by it by the growing ravenous may ends of the military for more and more money and more and more troops and i saw all our hopes for bringing about a great society disappeared of the quagmire of vietnam it was a very sad time a grave. for those who lost their lives both americans and the the enemies but it also represented a turning away from the possibilities of building a better society at home. if. you very well said if we could move back to the t

dr. franklin frazier that would convey the life of the black family during slavery and during the latter part of the 19th century. ask you had individuals like the assistant or associate curator -- actually, the head cure ray of of the psalm burg library in new york city -- who conveyed some of the slave narratives that were written by fugitive slaves, runaway slaves and, vernal, abolitionists during the period prior to the end of slavery. but what you at no time see was a real historical rustling with, what the heritage of slavery meant to african-americans today. this was going to come later in relation to black communities in new york and also in chicago in the form of a kind of black power-oriented approach to knowledge in in the form of emerging fields in black the studies. but in 1940 it was, in a sense, a kind of history that dare not speak its name. and because of that one learns as one often does from history seeing what it is that people don't say that reveals something about what they are about what they do say. >> host: who is on the cover of your book, "selling the race"? >>

franklin d. roosevelt in an appreciative and admiring light. it's one of the few conservative periodicals that does this. i recently defended finishing dro a -- fdr to a professor, and my question to you is if by some miracle roosevelt had lived to finish his fourth term, what do you think his take on stalin would have been? what would their relationship have been like? >> well, let me just make a comment on your earlier. the weekly standard likes fdr. and we like the sort of roosevelt/truman/kennedy approach to foreign policy in the democratic party. when i took my present job, um, i was putting my various things in my office. and one of them, they have a few over here in the library, i have a clock which has -- it's franklin roosevelt, it's this little statue of fdr, and he's standing sort of holding the clock as if it's a, um, a ship's wheel. and it says at the wheel of the new deal. and i put it on this table behind my desk, and i remember our editor, bill kristol, come anything and looking at that and saying it's truly a neoconservative office. we have a shrine to fdr here. [laughter] i think, you know, who knows? i mean, it's alwa