dr. gaily pleasure. >> so it seems strange to me that a man might take his own life wearing a bulletproof vest. and before the gunshots rang out, he called back and said there were three men chasing him down an alley. >> well, obviously, only he can know what was in his mind. and so we don't. however, many people who are extremely depressed, who are contemplating suicide but who don't want to be remembered by their family that way, who want to leave a legacy of the way their life was, which, you know, if you are law enforcement is probably really is heroic. and who feel shame at the idea that they're depressed or they can't make themselves better or that they're thinking of taking their lives. >> well, and there's -- the other factor is if an officer commits suicide, his widow loses all benefits. >> correct, correct. it has certainly occurred in the past, let's say, that people have taken their lives and tried to make it look like something else happened for life insurance policies or the prot