dr. gary becker, executive director at the board of radiology.hereafter are they say they write the questions or random medical facts. we don't believe that. >> there is no reason to believe the use of the recalls led to n unqualified doctor since they must pass a rigorous oral exam. >> these are doctors and they should be and is a higher standard. >> i agree and that's why the abr does not want to tolerate this behavior. >> do you think it's a big deal? >> yeah and recalls are cheating and it's inappropriate. >> that are may be so. but residency program directors like this doctor who doesn't endorse the use of recalls said it has been going on for so long it's difficult to stop. any resident who speaks out may find few friends come testing. >> if a training is not willing to actually use recall and help them to pass the exam and the particular trapping program is that every one does it that, particular person can be singled out as the social out cast. >> which brings us back to dr. matthew webb who said that's exactly what happened to him. he sa

dr. gary becker is the american board of radiology's executive director. >> we've heard about these, you recall, memories come out of the test, write down 20 questions here, you take the next 20 questions. they almost seem like well-organized schemes to skirt the very certification you're trying to ensure. >> i don't think we know how well organized they are. i mean, we have inferential evidence. >> isn't it cheating? >> we would call it cheating. and our exam security policy would call it cheating, yes. >> reporter: and now for the first time in more than ten years, the board is revamping its entire testing procedures, at the same time, cracking down, because so many certified radiologists may have gained their certification, at least partially, because it was so easy to cheat. right now, about half of the written test questions are the same every year. >> we take it seriously. because when we put the stamp of certification on an individual, that means that the public has trusted us to do so. >> and from any of the investigations or inquiries you've done, you don't really have a sense o

dr. gary becker, executive director of the american board of radiology or abr. >> there are people who sayes arcane questions or random medical facts. we don't believe that. >> reporter: board officials say there's no reason to believe the widespread use of the recalls has led to unqualified doctors because they still must pass a rigorous oral exam. but these are doctors, medical doctors and it seeps like there should be a higher standard. >> i agree with you. that's why the abr does not want to tolerate this behavior. >> reporter: do you think it's a big deal? >> yeah, i think it's a big deal and i think recalls are cheating and the abr isn't going to tolerate it. >> reporter: that may be so but residency program directors like dr. king li who doesn't endorse the use of recalls says it's been going on for so long it's difficult to stop and any resident who speaks out may find few friends come test day. >> so if a particular trainee is not willing to actually use recall to help them to pass the exam and culture of that particular training program is that everyone does it, then that particu

dr. gary becker is the american board of radiology's executive director. isn't it cheating?> we would call it cheating. our exam security policy would call it cheating. >> reporter: we showed becker copies of the recall exams from the military's san antonio program. he acknowledged the recalls were very close to the actual test. >> outraged by this. we took this case to our professionalism committee. the result of a deliberation, there and the decision of the board was to go directly back to the training director, the dean of the institution, and we've had those discussions. >> reporter: dr. webb, the complainant, he told us to find out some don't have the knowledge but are able to get through by cheating, it's despicable. do you agree with that? >> i agree. i agree. now, i can say we don't have a -- more information on other programs. we haven't heard similar reports from residents. but if and when we ever hear of any, we're going to track them down. >> reporter: in fact, we did track down information on other programs at the radiological society of north america convention

dr. gary becker is the american board of radiology's executive director. isn't it cheating?we would call it cheating. our exam security policy would call it cheating. >> reporter: we showed becker copies of the recall exams from the military's san antonio program. very close to the actual test. >> outraged by this. we took this case to our professionalism committee. the result of a deliberation, there and the decision of the board was to go directly back to the training director, the dean of the institution, and we've had those discussions. >> reporter: dr. webb, the complainant, he told us to find out some don't have the knowledge but to get through by cheating, it's despicable. do you agree with it? >> i agree. i agree. now, i can say we don't have a -- more information on other programs. we haven't heard similar reports from residents. but if and when we ever hear of any, we're going to track them down. >> reporter: in fact, we did track down information on other programs at the radiological society of north america convention in chicago. where residents told us recall us