dr. gelles, i am here from the government and i'm here to help you. is that not true? just could not true. >> host: why not? >> guest: because most social government programs designed to help people don't help. in some instances it is little more, i hate saying this, but the do-gooder full employment act that provides lots of jobs to people who would like to help, but at the end of the day if you look at whether the needle has been moved and people have been helped by substantial government programs and substantial amounts of money, the bottom line is very rarely are people helped. that was a story worth telling. the idea came to me as i was being smuggled into the back door of the statehouse in the state of hawaii from meeting with the secretary, the speaker of the house. hawaii was spending half a billion dollars on education. part that was subsidized by the federal government under the dividuals with disabilities education act. the rest is the taxpayers of hawaii and we had been there for two years to see whether the half a billion dollars is helping special educati