dr. glenda hodges, founder and ceo of community-based empowerment organization called still i rise. welcome, good to have you with us. >> thank you so much, barbara. >> how did you happen to start this still i rise? >> well in 2001, my life in the presence of her then 5-year-old son and 3-year-old daughter. thank god she did survive and she left him. but in 2006 she married another person who was just like him. he didn't physically abuse her, but he psychologically abused her. so i was really motivated to do something and to try to help her. so hence the birth of still i rise. and the name from maya angelou's poem, "still i rise." going through. i think we need laws to let the abusers know that we're not going to continue to allow you to do this to the victims. some of the victims are suffering in silence. they actually -- >> most of them are. >> that's exactly right. they've been victimized for years, the laws need to be tougher, they need to be more stringent. once we discover that you are indeed a batterer, that the laws will then be protecting the victim and not so much getting