dr. goodell. want to ask something that's politically incorrect -- >> i like those. >> good, you like this with me, we had this conversation in this country and i want to get your take on this. i think there is something to it. there are some people in this country, certainly this is the sentiment of not all and many people of color and certainly african-american moms who find it sometimes annoying is the nicest word that i can use wh use -- when it appears that certain human beings care more about animals and they care more about human beings. it is not just a political reality, it is a life and death reality where people will defend and fight for and protest and raise money for, all kinds of animals. they don't seem to have the same love or the respect for humanity and particularity humanity looks a little differently than they do. >> there is one. take it away. >> well, for me, you know, and i have mentioned this. when i went to learn about the place of the chimps in africa. i learned a lot abo

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goodell, weak. owners, weak. i thought i was watching dr. adam corey. neil: what's going to happen?a thin line, i understand that. but nothing is really changed, the players opt out, there is not punishment for it. the fans are ticked off and i imagine the ratings continue to slide. >> here's the deal, here's the way i look at it, neil, you're right. let me say, first of all, in the by laws of the nfl, there's already a written policy that says the players should stand during the anthem and the flag. so why not enforce the policy? and you know what? if they don't, then you know what, dock them one game's pay for every game they don't. after you enforce the policy, and then if they still refuse, that's breach of contract. owners, they really don't care about the fans because there's always going to be fans going to the game. until the sponsors say oh, we're losing the ratings, not going to pay the same fees, then the nfl will do something about it. that's the thing. neil: i'm wondering if behind the scenes in the meetings, the owners were trying to do some basic, you know, ross perot