dr. gosnell was at said you did not have to worry about that. you can be over a certain amount of weeks and still get the abortion done. >> bret: then hudson had to come up with gosnell's $350 fee. by the time she got it she worried she was so far along that even gosnell's clinic would make her buy anesthesia. it didn't. >> they did the sonogram and he was like you about are a little over 12 weeks. i was like that was like almost 18 weeks. and they prepped me, no counseling or anything. >> bret: as soon as the per are began, hudson knew the clinic had done her no favors. >> i literally felt like a part of my insides like ripped. i remember just asking him like do i supposed to be in this much pain? i felt like something was like ripping like literally like ripping inside of me. >> that is like torture. >> bret: dr. manny alvarez is a a respected og-gyn and a member of the fox news medical a-team. >> people were given the option of paying for how much pain-free status they wanted to be in. imagine taking your appendix without anesthesia or telling

dr. gosnell was at said you did not have to worry about that. you could be over a certain amount of weeks and still get the abortion done. >> bret: then hudson haded to come up with gosnell's $350 fee. by the time she got it she worried she was so far along that even gosnell's clinic would make her buy anesthesia. it didn't. >> they did the thesonogram and he was like you are a little over 12 weeks and i kind of was like a little over in my head like that was like almost 18 weeks and they prepped me, no counseling or anything. >> as soon as the procedure began, hudson knew the clinic had done her no favors. >> i literally felt like a part of my insides like ripped. i remember just asking him like do i supposed to be in this much pain. i felt like something was like ripping like literally leak ripping inside of me. >> that is almost like torture. >> bret: dr. nanny alvarez is a respected og-gyn. >> people were given the option of paying for how much pain free status they wanted to be in. imagine taking your appendix without anesthesia or telling s

dr. gosnell was at said you did not have to worry about that. you could be over a certain amount of weeks and still get the abortion done. >> bret: then hudson haded to come up with gosnell's $350 fee. by the time she got it she worried she was so far along that even gosnell's clinic would make her buy anesthesia. it didn't. >> they did the thesonogram and he was like you are a little over 12 weeks and i kind of was like a little over in my head like that was like almost 18 weeks and they prepped me, no counseling or anything. >> as soon as the procedure began, hudson knew the clinic had done her no favors. >> i literally felt like a part of my insides like ripped. i remember just asking him like do i supposed to be in this much pain. i felt like something was like ripping like literally leak ripping inside of me. >> that is almost like torture. >> bret: dr. nanny alvarez is a respected og-gyn. >> people were given the option of paying for how much pain free status they wanted to be in. imagine taking your appendix without anesthesia or telling s

dr. gosnell said you didn't have to do that.ld still be over certain amount of weeks and still have it done. >> she wam up to the $350 fee. by the time she got it she worried she was so far along even gosnell's c make her buy anesthesia. it didn't. >> they did the son ma'amogram and said he basically was just like you are a little over 12 weeks. i kind of was like a little over in my head i was almost 18 weeks. they prepped me. no counseling or anything. >> as soon as the procedure began hudson knew the clinic had done her no favor. >> i really felt like a part of my insides ripped. i was asking them do i supposed to be in this much pain? i felt like something was ripping, light literally ripping inside of me. >> it was like torture. >> the doctor is a respoekted obgyn and member of the fox news medical a team. >> people arewere given the option for paying for how much pain-free status they wanted it to be in. image taking your a pen dix without anesthesia. we will take your a pen dix but how much anesthesia are you willing to p

dr. gosnell.k mcmahon, his defense attorney, looked very upset during the proofings win the verdicts were being read. had a very angry look on his face and was very shocked that first degree murder came down for them. >> any reactions from the jurors? we know this morning -- we don't no which two counts they were locked on. any hint from them? >> it was still unclear which counts they were locked most of them hat impassesive faces when the verdicts were read. to be honest they looked relieved. this is at the tenth day of deliberations and it's been a very long case for them. >>> just tree -- to remind folks, the defense team did not put on any witnesses. jack mcmahon thought his job was done. >> he called no witnesses. a very dramatic day in the courtroom when that happened. he stood up and said, defense rests. the reporters were shocked. i think he thought based on the across of the prosecution witnesses that would be enough and clearly it was not. >> kristen has done hard work covering the trial

dr. gosnell may get the death penalty? >> again, there's a gag order as far as the -- i can talk about generalities but as far as that concern, i'd rather not comment on that right now. obviously we -- if that comes to it, we'll mount the defense to that. but that's next tuesday. we're just dealing with today, today. >> lastly, sir, do you blame the media and the focus on this among some conservatives for the verdict, or is this just what was in the courtroom was in the courtroom? >> no, i don't blame that. i mean, there was obviously a tremendous amount of that everywhere. i mean, nobody was really rooting for dr. gosnell, i can tell you that. but, again, i don't believe that had the effect on the jury. this jury was conscientious. they cared. they spent a lot of time. and, again, by the nature of the verdict, that is, finding not guilty of some, guilty of other counts, they obviously thought about the evidence, were conscientious. that's all we can expect out of our jury system. >> lastly, sir, do you think it would help

dr. kermit gosnell.operated the abortion clinic for 30 years in west philadelphia and this man faces hundreds of counts but specifically four counts of first degree murder. so if convicted he could face the death penalty. after the break we're going to bring in paul callan. he is a cnn legal analyst. i want to ask him what he will find most surprising. back after this. we had never used a contractor before and didn't know where to start. at angie's list, you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. no company can pay to be on angie's list, so you can trust what you're reading. angie's list is like having thousands of close neighbors where i can go ask for personal recommendations. that's the idea. before you have any work done, check angie's list. from roofers to plumbers to dentists and more, angie's list -- reviews you can trust. i love you, angie. sorry, honey. i i had pain in my abdomen...g. it just wouldn't go away. i was spotting, but i had alrea

dr. gosnell's life should he become convicted.re this person is a star part of the process and do you know anything that they have that can mitigate for this doctor? >> reporter: know what is interesting? we never heard about a mitigation specialist in this case and i have to tell you why some high profile cases do have a mitigation specialist, we haven't heard or seen of that in this case. what we have heard is that perhaps, perhaps dr. gosnell may take the witness stand. he did not testify during the guilt phase. it is his right not to do so. the burden is always on the prosecution but his defense attorney jack mcmahon told me yesterday that certainly this is something they are considering and i also have had the opportunity to speak to people just from around dr. gosnell's neighborhood who considered him to be a good person, a good neighbor and good neighborhood doctor and many suspec he may testify on his own behalf. and above all else, ashlee, let's face it, that, i think, is the person that this jury wants to hear from becau

dr. kermit gosnell. kimberly is with us.ou think this reignites the issue of right to life versus abortion as a public policy issue? >> bob, great question. it puts a spotlight on it and brings it to the forefront of discussion and the media outlets that were brave enough to cover it like fox news has been. you listen to this and what happened to these babies and not rethink abortion and choice and all of it. >> what do you think? >> i think it does. i think there was a reporter who was pro choice who switched to pro life when he heard the details of this. i want to ask kimberly, the media presence there, is it what you expected? early on you were the first to be there of the first to be there, and you have been there throughout. have they caught on this is a big story? >> it was remarkable. when i went there we were one of the few people in the courtroom and then the courtroom started to fill as the interest in the case grew. the concern and the compassion. since you made the point whether this rekindles the debate. the sid

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dr. gosnell for this care. were they in any legal jeopardy themselves in violation of pennsylvania's law? and did they testify against dr. gosnell? >> two did testify. one of whom was then a 15-year-old... i'm sorry, a 17-year-old girl. no, they were not in any legal jeopardy. i don't know if they were given immunity but i believe possibly the statute would have run anyway. so we only heard from two abortion patients. again one was a 17-year-old who ended up getting an infection. she was the one who her baby was estimates to be perhaps 30 weeks old. staffers were so surprised that they took cell phone pictures afterward. once the f.b.i. recovered the pictures that became some of the prime evidence and most disturbing evidence in the case. that woman testified that she ended up with sepsis and was hospitalized for to weeks. gosnell did not provide very good care of the women themselves. >> suarez: dr. gosnell did not take the stand in his own defense but he has spoken of over time his motivations and his actions

dr. gosnell. >> bill: did you ever talk to him philosophically before you took the case?dn't you want to know who you were representing? >> yeah, i know who i was representing. he was -- all the times i was with him for two and a half years he was nothing but a gentleman. >> bill: didn't ask you him hey, did you feel bad for the kids that you terminated because he got charged and convicted on these three. but there are hundreds that he did. according -- >> -- no he did. no he did not. >> bill: hundreds according to people. >> that's not true. convicted of three and not guilty of five. the jury considered all the facts of the case. dr. gosnell didn't kill in mice mind live human. >> bill: in his mind. >> live human babies. >> bill: a what in his mind he was doing because these babies will never ever exist on this planet. i would just like to know that. >> they were dead before he did anything to them. >> bill: because he killed them. >> no he did not. that was abortion. that was the abortion process. big difference between abortion process. >> bill: abortion is killing the

dr. gosnell's clinic. this isn't about women who wanted to seek legal abortions and got butchered for the most part. about women who were on the border line and a doctor who couldn't have cared less about what the law said. so you need oversight. you need oversight. >> bill: of course, in health capacity it doesn't matter whether it's abortion. anything you need oversight. i wanted to point out the planned parenthood statement. i want to read it again. this is shocking. the verdict will ensure that no woman is victimized by kermit gosnell ever again. as megyn said women were victimized. no mention of the babies killed. if you think he killed three babies. >> hundreds alleged snippings, but only a few where they were born alive and they could prove it. >> bill: corruption in maryland. the factor will continue its investigation as jesse watters confronts the governor of that state. and then duck dynasty wily robinson will be here. can't wait. >> bill: thanks for staying with us, i'm bill o'reilly in the fact

dr. gosnell. employees discussed the clinic of carnage.here is a resolution for congress to investigate illegal abortion practice. i spoke to senator lee earlier. some of your democratic colleagues objected and one putting a hold on it and senator bloomingtha l and others offering an alternative. fill us in to what they their actions are and what you think is behind it. >> they proposed an alternative to speak in broader terms, not only in abortion clinics but health conditions that people face when they go in medical treatment. now, certainly their resolution condemns this thing. it goes more broader. we have to pass both of them. >> do you have any objection to their alternative and willing to support that or do you think we should adopt both of them independently? >> we ought to adopt both and they speak to issues we ought to address. i don't want to distract the public's attention away from the abortionist claiming to the services and in realitty delivering a loif baby and killing the baby in the clinic. it is beyond the pall and it is

dr. gosnell. for timing regarding when we'll hear this verdict. >> reporter: we are indeed. it was about 35, 40 minutes ago that the jury came back and said they do have a verdict. so wire waiting for them to be brought into the courtroom. you can understand they're trying to bring all the parties together. it was early this morning that they notified the judge that they were deadlocked on two of the counts. the judge told the jurors to go back into the deliberation room and try and reach a verdict on this case. they are now looking at the question of whether or not this doctor will be found guilty or not of four counts of first-degree murder involving the death of four babies who the prosecution alleges were born alive and then killed. also a charge of third degree murder against 41-year-old woman who the prosecution says was given an illegal amount of painkillers following an abortion procedure in the doctor's clinic. this case has gone on for five week of a trial. ten days of deliberation. and

dr. gosnell dr. gosnell -- mr. president, let me suspend my speech momentarily. i understand that my friend the junior senator from connecticut would like to make a motion. the presiding officer: without objection. the senior senator from connecticut is recognized. mr. blumenthal: i would like to offer the resolution that i and senator boxer who is a longtime champion of better health care for the citizens of our country and senator shaheen expressing the sense of the senate that these practices will not be tolerated in any setting, regardless of personal beliefs about the type of health care being offered. this resolution is broader than the senator from utah's -- and i understand and sympathize with the basic objectives which as i understand it are to improve health care generally and make sure that the kinds of abuses being prosecuted in philadelphia will not occur anywhere in this country. and so i offer my resolution calling on the senate to condemn such practices in all health care settings, be they clinics or hospitals dental offices anywhere in this count

dr. gosnell awaits a jury decision.rtroom drama today involving fox news. >> sometimes defense attorneys and people have trouble with the truth, with the facts, with the evidence. >> what happened? >> we sat in the courtroom. we heard it and we reported on the facts of the case exactly what happened using grand jury testimony, transcripts from the courtroom out of the mouths of the witnesses who were present at the time when these crimes were committed by dr. gosnell and his staff. >> the defense attorney said what? >> the defense attorney was very angry, upset with it and wanted to talk to the judge and question the jurors in particular to see if anyone had seen the fox news special and whether or not it would influence their decision. this is no surprise having tried high-profile cases defense attorneys do this when there is media coverage because they say maybe the jury was influenced. they try and get a mistrial and a juror excused so the case has to be retried. >> he certainly wouldn't have had to ask about seeing

dr. gosnell. employees discussed the clinic of carnage.gate illegal abortion practice. i spoke to senator lee earlier. some of your democratic colleagues objected and one putting a hold on it and senator bloomingtha l and others offering an alternative. fill us in to what they their actions are and what you think is behind it. >> they proposed an alternative to speak in broader terms, not only in abortion clinics but health conditions that people face when they go in medical treatment. now, certainly their resolution condemns this thing. it goes more broader. we have to pass both of them. >> do you have any objection to their alternative and willing to support that or do you think we should adopt both of them independently? >> we ought to adopt both and they speak to issues we ought to address. i don't want to distract the public's attention away from the abortionist claiming to the services and in realitty delivering a loif baby and killing the baby in the clinic. it is beyond the pall and it is medical nedmrekt and malpractice. and democ

dr. gosnell, one bad guy, and now all of a sudden abortion should be banned. >> gosnell, new york city, d.cape are right here. >> you are a hypocrite u get mad about one person and then you have these undercover organizations -- >> what's wrong with undercover? 60 minutes has done this for year. >> then maybe she should get a job with 60 minutes. no, i like what she's done here. >> her investigations are shoddy. >> there are states all over the country it's legal to abort even up to nine months and in d.c. it's up to nine months and new york 24 weeks. >> then go and fight the law instead of going undercover. >> the law needs to be changed but people need to change their hearts and mind. we can do this as women, tamara, and better in our country. >> you should do better as a woman in our country and go undercover. >> why are you attacking it personally? because it's a shoddy investigation. half of it is edited. >> we have to go. >> we can do better of killing our children and ripping them apart and letting them die. we can do better than this. >> we have to go. larry the cable guy coming bac

dr. gosnell. some of them containing about 200 counts. i think the most difficult question in front of this jury is whether or not dr. gosnell is guilty of first-degree murder in the death of four babies. the prosecution is saying these are murdered children. the defense in this case is saying, no, these are aborted fetuses. they'll have to decide these four counts. >> sunny, with all of the charges, and clearly there are so many facts, those critical charges that carry the death penalty, are the jurors trying to decide at this point if those babies were not delivered alive, or are they trying to decide there is something else afoot with disgruntled employees who may have testified falsely? >> reporter: well, they haven't asked any questions. we're not sure what they're struggling with. i've been speaking to a lot of people outside the courtroom, even people on the street. even knows about this case. what most people are commenting on is the fact a lot of his coworkers pled guilty to third degree murder. >> sunny, i'm sorry. i have breaki

dr. gosnell is a isolated case. there is shocking video when we return. >> as jurors in the murder trial of dr. kermit gosnell new undercover video is blowing the lid off of the late term abortion industry. there is several abortion clinics . went there to find out what the clinics would do in a situation where a baby born alive in the fail would failed abortion attempt. in these videos they are 22 weekings and posing as potential patients and seeking consulitation. what you are about to see and hear is disturbing. >> it will be 23 week two days. >> it doesn't look like a baby it has organs and heart like, we all have hearts, but it is not done. >> does it have a face or anything. >> it is developing into. >> okay. >> but they used the suction and there is no movement. >> sometimes. sometimes they are, yes. >> it does happen. if i were to choose to do it that way like you would let it go. >> uh-huh. >> it is >> my gosh. it is it hard for me to watch it is hard to see joining me is president of live action. his organi

dr. gosnell's license should have been yanked then. s license was not that i can even away. >> no, it was not. bill: what happened? >> gosnell in fact was defiant. of those 15 women nine suffered very serious complications, a couple of them had surgeries, a major hysterectomy was performed on one young woman. doctor gosnell said, you know, what i am doing is in fact rather than just talking about women's reproductive rights i'm going to do something about it. and what he did was open an abortion clinic in west philadelphia, and he ran that for three decades plus and performed thousands and thousands and thousands of abortions, some of which were quite problematic. bill: i know you have done a lot of work on this and we will see a lot of that on friday evening . a jury is currently deliberating this. we will get to your program on friday ao night. check out peter's work and the rest of our fox news team. it's called "see no evil" the dr.~kermit gosnell case. it's at 9:00 eastern time. martha: an incredible, awful story. all right. we hav

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dr. gosnell, talking about horror shows and abortion.he democrats are so in lock step with the abortion industry they are looking for a way to throw a buck in cold water. we don't want to put the focus on clinics like this. we want to just sort of make it something else. make it go away. let's pretend this isn't what it is about. i wonder if you ask them to condemn charles manson or psychopath in cleveland where whether they could agree with that. ariel castro may get the hospitality award from democrats in congress. i can't believe that. even this is an issue. you can't get this through the senate, what can you get done? >> megyn: the reason mike lee was necessary because there is a reason the clinic didn't go inspected for 17 years. according to the grand jury report. they decided not to do it. the pennsylvania department of health under republican governor tom ridge decided that inspections would be, qaet quote putting up a barrier for women getting abortions. even though gosnell proved that meant both women and babies would pay. and

dr. gosnell. >> right. he fragrantly breeched existing laws.hat's what we're dealing with. >> yes, absolutely. and then we have various other factors as to his intent. you know, common sense will tell you that if you're delivering a live baby, that that's absolute and complete murder. but i think there's going to be a lot of grey here in the area of the sentencing phase as to what his actual intent was and whether it was easily provable that he had specific intent to murder. >> and i think we're going to have to condemn the department of health in pennsylvania. after all, they are the ones who should have been at that clinic and monitoring the practices to make sure that they were safe and not dangerous to a woman's health and to her life. but they weren't there, haven't been there, apparently, since 1983. >> let's move onto o.j. simpson. he's appearing in court on wednesday against his conviction. this time, we may get to hear o.j. testify. >> i think you're definitely going to hear from him. the key issue here is whether the plea was actually

dr. gosnell convicted, many in the pro-life movement say the fight is far from over. ey worry there may be many other clinics that may be operating under the radar, just like kermit gosnell's clinic did. john jessup, cbn news, fil philadelphia. >> george: up next, understanding islam and its followers. the new d.v.d. that is c2lping christians introduce musls to jeses christ.t. >> george: how should christians respond to islamic terrorism? it can cause some people to fear their muslim neighbors. a new d.v.d. is instructing christians about islam and how to share their faith without fear. it is all being done with the help of former muslims. gary lane shows us more. >> reporter: most muslim immigrants come to north america for educational and economic opportunities. others come to escape oppression. on a rare occasion, some, like these brothers, harm the nation that has welcomed them. watchti is a former islam from sudan. >> suddenly when they come here, they change. they change to be fanatic. >> reporter: the government can only do so much to protect us from islamic fa

dr. kermit gosnell faces the death penalty after prosecutors say babies were born alive and then killed at his clinic. >>> to business now and cnbc's kayla tausche. good morning to you. >> good morning. automakers report their april sales number today. the pace of sales is expected to top 15 million vehicles for the sixth straight month. as volume picks up with the start of the spring selling season. demand for pickup trucks is also improving with a recovery in the housing market. and president obama is expected to nominate venture capitalist and former lobbyist tom wheeler today to be the next fcc chairman. he would replace julius janikowski and also expected to top melvin watt to head the agency which oversees fannie mae and freddie mac. private sector payrolls ahead of friday's jobs report. also manufacturing and construction spending. back to you. >> hoping for good numbers there. thank you, kayla. >>> the past lthree years have been sell away and go away. but this way stocks in your retirement accounted said good-bye to april on a high note. with all three major u.s. indices up double