dr. gowadia, right? >> yes, ma'am. >> so those issues were addressed, are addressed to you all to evaluate? >> yes, ma'am. >> all righty. i understand that you are significantly understaffed and that there have been instances where people have had to work back-to-back shifts? >> yes, ma'am. >> do you find that there's any correlation between that phenomenon, that understaffing or inadequate staffing and these tardynesses or these awols or leave without permission? >> first, ma'am, i would like very much to thank congress for the reprogramming actions that have allowed us to hire new officers, bring on and convert more from part-time to full-time status and give us a significant bank of hours to mitigate some of the impact on our front line officers. while we have not studied the data sufficiently to give you a definite one for one correlation, i will tell you that the informed opinion of our leadership is that the fact that we have shift work, some shifts start at 3:30 in the morning, some officers have

dr. gowadia, right? >> yes, ma'am. >> so those issues were addressed, are addressed to you all to evaluate? >> yes, ma'am. >> all righty. i understand that you are significantly understaffed and that there have been instances where people have had to work back-to-back shifts? >> yes, ma'am. >> do you find that there's any correlation between that phenomenon, that understaffing or inadequate staffing and these tardynesses or these awols or leave without permission? >> first, ma'am, i would like very much to thank congress for the reprogramming actions that have allowed us to hire new officers, bring on and convert more from part-time to full-time status and give us a significant bank of hours to mitigate some of the impact on our front line officers. while we have not studied the data sufficiently to give you a definite one for one correlation, i will tell you that the informed opinion of our leadership is that the fact that we have shift work, some shifts start at 3:30 in the morning, some officers have

dr. gowadia, my time expired. i think we will do one more round but you will be interested to note the data we are talking about, it is my understanding, the department didn't know much about the data even though they collected it until our team went in and started asking questions. they frp were not aware of using the data so to speak in punishment and judicial action. so that is a great concern. with that, i want to recognize other members as well. so i will recognize ms. watson-coleman. >> thank you, chairman, and thank you doctor for the information you are sharing and to you, mr. oosterbaan. mr. oosterbaan, you work for mr. roth and who does he report to? >> the report report is different than in some contexts. >> who are you accountable to in >> we work fwr the department of homeland security and therefore the secretary. although there is a different reporting that is done for the ig. >> what does that mean? >> that means that our independence is critically important and there is a limited amount of control