dr. granger, dr. joanne browning would send me to the meetings. and one of the greatest lessons -- and i was a youth minister. and dr. granger brown on new year's eve said let's go to jesse jackson's house, sit at his dinner table and talk about what we're going to be talking about for black people next year. that's how i grew. but i grew, 10, 15 years ago being put at those tables. you can't wait until -- you all are going to sit there and wait until we're 45 years old and act like we're going to the kids table. let's reach back for the 20-something-year-olds that are coming out and can communicate to these young ones and help mobilize and energize them and that's how we've got to do it. >> i will take five questions. five hands real quick. one, two, three, four, five. i'm going to take six as my colleague stood up. six. one question each now, mind you all. >> i'm listening to jeff johnson talk like a son and it makes sense because of the make-up of the panel. but are we on the brink, because we have people who don't care and we've got this apathe