dr. haines iii, senior pastor at friendship west baptist church. dr. haines, welcome to the show. >> thank you, professor dyson. >> isn't it ironic, dr. haines, through this entire debate the focus has been on the wealthiest americans paying more taxes, not people who will lose unemployment benefits come january 1st? you're the pastor of a huge church in dallas that talks about poverty and social injustice. what's your reaction to this? >> well, not only is it ironic. i think it's almost sinful, especially during this season where we have just celebrated the birth of one who was born homeless. i think that unfortunately if the wise men had been replaced by the speaker of the house as well as the senate minority leader, instead of he bearing gifts they would have taken away from him unemployment benefits. so i find it painfully sinful that this is both immoral, because when we talk about any faith expression that faith expression is always concerned about those who are most vulnerable. and please understand, we're not talking about persons who are going