dr. hanson, i need you to repeat what you just said. because it was very significant. people like to think about the costs. i want you to repeat what you just said about the fuel savings and the comparative analysis of the fuel savings of a proposal like this relative to what we're currently debating. >> it's huge. >> what you just said was very significant. >> the carbon tax center in washington has run this through economic models and finds that it would reduce our fuel use by 30% in ten years. that is ten times more than the keystone xl pipeline would carry and would make our industry more competitive. that's what we need to do. in order for the economy to work most efficiently, you need to have the true costs for the fuels that are being used. you don't want to subsidize them because all of those subsidies are coming out of the taxpayers' pockets. >> yeah. dr. hanson, you have, again, your exertion of rational thought is remarkably admired and if i could send it through signal transfer into the brains of our policy makers i would magically do so. if nothing else it

dr. james hanson from nasa, he put forth a concept, which is this american freedom dividend where we start restore some of the pricing basis. 5% as it goes. then pay a dividend to everybody who is saving energy and tax those who are the dirtiest and most wasteful. what would be the next step for you with somebody like me and somebody like john. we have now connected. we're three people. we have a good amount of influence. what can the three of us do to enroll more veterans and other members of the media, if you will, which is our mutual constituencies to elevate this? >> you're doing it right now. this is what needs to be done is to talk about it it. that's the first step is to shift that mind set and to advocate about the need for change. and what's happening in san diego, the navy is already shifting that block. what they are doing is they have created the great fleet in san diego. part of that great green fleet is creating a solution and that's in research and development. that's happening at oceanography. also happening here in texas. texas a&m, creating the solution. so to connect tho