dr. hazeltaken ine, if we can s with you. >> i'd like to start at 100,000 feet, before getting into the details of the russian information operation in this country. it's not too much of a stretch to say that the russians view us in many senses as an adversary, and i think that it's also safe to say they have a different view of conflict than we do, where as we tend to think of it more in terms of warfare. they think of it more broadly where they don't distinguish so much between conflict and not conflict. you have to remember what was said about war. it's the achievement of political aims through violence. have you to keep that in front of you always, that the end objective is political. whether you get it through violence or hacking or buying facebook ads, as far as the russians are concerned, the end objective is what they always keep in mind. and so -- just some context, if you look at the economy's of the two countries. russia's gross domestic product is roughly that of texas. if you do an experiment and imagine you are texas and the rest of the -- your adversary was the united states -- i