dr. hecker's presentation.e up, make his presentation, and then we will have a shuffle as we bring some chairs up so that bob kc arlin can join him. on the second of november, we went to north korea. we were there from the second to the sixth of november. we at ask to see the facilities to look at thet new construction but the figure out what was going on in the intervening time since the last inspectors were there. in april of 2009, i think. when we got there, we were briefed by the general bureau of atomic energy safeguards division director. he gave us a preview of what was going on at yongbyon which was not much. we began i discuss some of the their richmond facility that we were looking for, uranium enrichment facilities, were in fact at yongbyon. the reaction that i got back to pyongyang and began to talk with the ministry of foreign affairs, they were surprised that we were told that. in the ensuing discussion, the points that we made with them were -- you are heading down the path that will put you in t

dr. hecker. and it's true. this is the only reading i will do.or you the essence of what the chief technical officer told us in the guest house when we came and visited this november 12. 1990's in the 1980's and we agreed to give up our reactors, 2,000 megawatts of electric by 2003. build aarly 1990's, we 200 megawatt reactor. now they have become rarer and concrete structures and iron scrap. i can attest to that. we have not been able to continue to the national demand for electricity, so we decided to make and is stark. for us to survive, we decided to build our own l.w.r. in 2009, the foreign ministry said that we will proceed on our own light water reactor. we processed it, and delivered it to the military for weaponization. that was in 2009, when they walked away from the agreement. our nuclear program has not proceeded as expected. we have not produced electricity and thus have impacted the economic condition of our country. we will use our economic resources to solve electricity problems. we are willing to proceed with the six-party talks

dr. hecker describes his first glimpse of the vast and secretive plant as stunning and says, "north korean officials told him that the centrifuged were installed and running." satellite palm beaches show evidence of construction in the area over the last fur years. the chairman of the joints chief of staff refusing to detail what the u.s. really knows. >> i would say this is something that we have been concerned about for significant periods of time and also, penetration of the north koreans in terms of intelligence capabilities is very difficult." the fact that north korea showed a visiting scientist the urainum appears to be a calculated move by the government and a challenge for the obama administration. >> i don't think anybody in the obama administration should be surprised at this and i think if they are, it indicates they have never understood how serious the north korean threat is rip current a senior official tells fox it's true a provocative act of defiance by the north korean government and the action is possibly timed to stop sign the communist nation as it moves to transfer po

dr. seigfried hecker, was told that they are building an experimental react. 3 the institute says hecker confirmed that the construction seen in the satellite imagery was indeed a new experimental light water reactor. the latest satellite images raise concern that north korea has begun building a reactor in defiance of its agreement to hold its nuclear development. >>> the u.n. general assembly has overwhelmingly adopted a resolution demanding that north korea return the people it has abducted to their home countries. the human rights committee passed the resolution by a wide margin on thursday. it was approved by 103 countries, a record number. 18 countries, including china, russia and egypt opposed the measure. 60 countries, including india, abstained. the resolution expresses serious concern about north korea's refusal to answer questions from the international community about the abductions issue. north korea's deputy ambassador to the u.n., pak tok hun, expressed concern that japan pressed developing countries to support the resolution. >> it is clear. the resolution we cannot accep

dr. hecker as if it had been built out of fairly modern equipment. so clearly the sanctions were not stopping good equipment from coming in to north korea. to do that though could be interpreted, would be an act of war and the one thing the obama administration seems to be determined not to do is make these incidents escalate into a general war. >> rose: what do the south koreans want the united states to do? >> well, it's the south koreans who decided after the attack on the cheonan not to retaliate. so they're looking for the u.s. to stand by. the south koreans perhaps run some more military exercises and so forth. but they also have argued against provocations. now, the question is, where's the line. at what point do you indicate to the north koreans that the south and the united states would not put up with these kind of attacks? you know, you really is two kinds of problems here. you have to short-term problem of these kind of artillery attacks which are very disturbing and very visible on t.v. you have the long-term problem of a nuclear program

dr. hecker. you mentioned that there should and research and development of the light reactor in north korea far before this kedo project. you also mention that it is a completely new design. how do know it is a completely new design and what aspect of this is different from what we have seen in the world? >> the completely new that i mentioned is not the design but the designers. there is a new design team, a younger generation. i asked how young, and they said in their '40's. they were trained universities and have been in the nuclear trade, and they are now going to design this. designs are out there in the world all over. this is a very small version, 25 megawatts instead of a thousand megawatts. this is tiny, tiny, but it is five times bigger than the former electricity they currently have. the interest before was always to get it from somebody else. as late as 2008, february, i spoke with the technical people and actually ask them, do you have your people over at the kedo project, and the a

dr. hecker have described as the beginnings of a light-water reactor at -- being built at yongbyon is indeed -- the beginnings of a light-water reactor being built at yongbyon and not an ice skating rink or something else? i mean, do you have a view on this or not? >> well, we are sorting through the information that they have provided us. >> but do you not -- have you not achieved a judgment yet, or you have achieved a judgment -- arrived at a judgment and you just can't share it with us? >> i'm -- there's a limit to what i can share. >> thank you. >> all right, hold on. >> p.j., ambassador pritchard said north korea wants to build a light-water reactor for power generation by 2012. >> right. >> so do you think their intentions are credible? >> well, but again, the first step in this process is that north korea has to take affirmative steps to denuclearize, and it's because its nuclear programs up to this point pose a very severe proliferation risk to the region and to the world. we are prepared to have a discussion with north korea on how to meet its energy requirements, but north korea ha

dr. hecker.mentioned, there should have beep research and development of light did the water reactor in north korea far before they announce it. does it go prior to akid -- a kedo project? you mentioned it is a completely new design. how do you know? what aspect did -- did light water reactor, is different from what we have seen in the world? they are either completely new that i mentioned not the design, but the designers. okay, so the new design team -- the younger generation i asked them and they said they were this their 40's. and they been trained at the universities and been there learning the nuclear trade and they're going to design this. and so it is not a completely new design. the height water reactor designs are out -- the light water reactor designs are out there all over the world. this is a small version. 20 megawatts instead of a thousand. -- this is tiny. it is five times birg than the wrge -- bigger than the one they currently have. in terms of them having had interest before. t