dr. hellman, there are over 100 different gasoline blends in america. a summer blend, winter blend, east and west coast blend, southern blend, high eth knoll content, it goes on and on. how about one blend, doc? >> well, that's a state level thing. are you really arguing the federal government should be dictating the states laws? i don't think you are. this is not what's causing the prices to go up. we have t highest domestic production since 1992. we have less rance on foreign sail in two decades. >> what is it? >> it is the refineries that we see -- we see the big five coming in, putting the smaller refineries out of business and drying the prices up. >> jonathan, the refinery system, how about we haven't had a new refinery built on american soil in 30 years because of what? the epa and regulation. >> yeah. those are the same refineries that have dealt with over $100 billion in regulatory costs since just the early 1990s. regulators don't build anything. they don't create any plants. all they do is destroy. they prevent progress. they prevent energy i