dr. henry lee. dr. lee, thank you for being with us.ant to speak to you about your expertise and in your experience, in all the years that you have done experiments, have you ever known the state crime lab to open up in the middle of the night for dna testing? >> yes. in the past we did numerous times. not only open up in the middle of the night, sometimes we work on the new year's eve and christmas and just like a law enforcement officer, police officer, every day they seek just working 9:00 to 5:00 shift, no, it's not. we work around the clock. >> good to know. dr. henry lee, when they say that they took dna from him, would that only be a buccal swab, an oral swab that you do with a q-tip like object? >> actually we have three different type of applicanters to collect buccal swab evidence. you're right. some of the media report saliva sample. we are actually not looking at the saliva, we're looking at the cheek cell looking for nuclear dna, trying to extract a dna as a known control. then we have to compare those samples. there are re

dr. henry lee, how solid is the evidence on this? do they have this guy at this point? what do they have? >> well, official report, of course, the victim died of a neck compression. and the evidence, basically, there are a lot of videotapes and swipe card records, in addition to, of course, the dna evidence. according to the news report, they found her dna on his shoes and also his dna on her clothing. those clothing material was found on the top of the ceiling tile. this is extremely important. now you have the linkage. you put the victim suspect in a close contact range. also, you put the victim suspect in one location. and that's why they wait until the dna result to make the arrest. >> okay. a reminder, raymond clark is innocent until proven guilty, despite what seems to be a mounting amount of evidence. a criminologist joins us next. back with our guests in 60 seconds. en both have osteoporosis. but we're active. especially when we vacation. so when i heard about reclast, the only once-a-year iv osteoporosis treatment, i called joni. my doctor said reclast helps re

dr. henry lee. dr. lee, it is wonderful to see you again. i only wish it was in person. dr. forensic investigators be holding back right now? why would they hold back cause of death? >> well, they're not really holding back. basically right now they have to confirm. they have so much evidence to look at. basically this is a three-prong approach of the investigation. one is look at videotape, look at electronic card entry, second one is look at the timeline analysis. 10:10 she was saw. did she have a particular reason to two to the bachlt and what the routine she does? the third one, of course, whether or not she was sexual asalted. if it was sexual assaulted, dna of that. whether her fingernails have tissue material. some individual have some type of injury. of course, her clothes. where's her clothes? any knife injury or any damage? and clothing found in the tile, those have to test whose blood is it? any touch dna? of course, people have to understand, say, her body was found inside the wall. it's kind of misleading because a lot of basement have false ceiling, false wall.

dr. henry lee, who joins us tonight. forensic scientist, renowned forensic scientist and investigator, live from hamden, connecticut tonight. dr. lee, you have such a vast experience in regard to dna and forensic discovery and investigation. hearing what has just been done, that these dogs have been taken into this building that is quite large, the last known building that annie le was seen to go into, what does that tell you? >> well, that's pretty clear. more likely they bring the bloodhound. connecticut state police canine unit would have an excellent reputation. a lot of good trained dog and handlers. so they have to go through each laboratory, every floor, every corner. sometime, you know, have to go to the underground and look for any place because she apparently 10:00 was saw inside the building. she has to be someplace. and they did -- law enforcement did the right thing to have federal, state, local joint task force to work on with fbi, connecticut state police, new haven police to work together. this is a missin

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dr. henry lee. henry, thank you for being with us. my first question is -- >> thank you, nancy. >> -- if clark did try to clean up, how could you tell? how could you tell by looking at the dna, by looking at the blood markings, that he was actually trying to clean up? how do you know the difference between a cleanup and blood spatter? >> okay. the blood spatter usually have defined characteristics, have shape and patterns. cleanup usually considers a smudge. if you use water or cleaning solution, now it become a diluted. we as experienced easily to tell. to say i don't understand, your report say police officers saw him clean his cleaning bottles. if the police officer saw him cleaning, should right away stop him, seize the evidence, and the blood spatter, which of course we can use hemorrhaging to restore the pattern to determine that's a drop or a medium-velocity impact spatter, even the impact spatter, then have to have another type of a traumatic force cause some bleeding. >> so, dr. lee, my simple rudimentary interpretation of wh

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dr. henry lee served as state police commissioner in connecticut, and now he helped to advise the forensicsamworking this case in recent days and says that the access cards have provided a time line inside the lab building on the last day that annie le was seen alive, revealing any opportunities a suspect would have had to harm annie le. what could the swipe cards tell us? >> they tell us that they have a means or opportunity. >> there are reports that the cards -- the swipe cards put them both in the last room where she was. >> that's become very crucial information. >> and sources tell us there were also e-mails or text messages between clark and le. that clark at one point claimed about the condition of the mice cages in the lab, that they had been left dirty. it was his job as technician to clean them. this those message -- in those messages he suggested the two of them meet. the authorities would not say if the communication went beyond that. after days of following raymond clark, tuesday night, the detectives moved in with a warrant to obtain dna samples from his hair, his fingernails

dr. henry lee, who helped advise the forensics team, said this arrest likely came after a dna match. when you heard of that arrest this morning, did that say to you right away, there must have been a dna match? >> yes, i know dna had a match. and of course, it's a relief. this case is a sad case, a young lady was murdered. >> reporter: now, the police chief here reiterated again today that he does not believe that le and clark had any kind of romantic relationship at any point in the past. in fact, charlie, he described the relationship this way. she was a ph.d candidate, he a lab technician. they would pass in the halls here. >> david, thank you. >>> a verdict was rushed late today in a trial of a high school football coach accused in a player's death during a tough practice on a hot day. and this is a case that was matched by high schools across the country. a jury in kentucky found jason stinson not guilty in the death of the 15-year-old player, and deliberations that lasted only 90 minutes. eric horng is in louisville. >> reporter: the coach ordered the students to run sprints. >

dr. henry lee. henry, thank you for being with us.tion is -- >> thank you, nancy. >> -- if clark did try to clean up, how could you tell? how could you tell by looking at the dna, by looking at the blood markings that he was actually trying to clean up? how do you know the difference between a cleanup and blood spatter? >> okay. the blood spatter usually have defined characteristics, have shape and patterns. cleanup usually considers a smudge. if you use water or cleaning solution, now it become a diluted blood stain. we as experienced scientists easily can tell. the thing i don't understand, your report say police officers saw him cleaning his cleaning bottles. if the police officer saw him cleaning, should right away stop him, seize the evidence, and the blood spatter, which, of course, which we can use hemorrhaging to restore the pattern to determine that's a drop or a medium-velocity impact spatter. if there was a medium-velocity impact spatter, then would have to have another type of traumatic force cause some bleeding. >> right.

dr. henry lee, can you get rid of dna with, for instance, a cleaning solution? >> yes, in fact, yes.v light can destroy some dna evidence and bleach solution can destroy some evidence. however, what this case so important is his clothing, boots, from her dna. >> exactly. >> her clothing from his dna, depends on the inner layer or outer layer. the most inner layer clothing on his dna become even more important. >> to a neighbor of raymond clark's, annmarie goodwin, a special guest joining us tonight from hamden, connecticut. thank you for being with us, ms. goodwin. what was your impression of him? how stunned were you when you heard this news? >> i was shocked, but knowing him like i did, which wasn't that well, i believe that he could have done it. >> why do you say that? >> just because he seemed like the type of person that could snap at any minute. >> has it ever been reported that he had a controlling personality, a control freak? >> yeah. i've said that. i said, i know him to be controlling with his girlfriend. >> in what way? >> just bossing her around, telling her to, come on

dr. henry lee, can you get rid of dna with, for instance, a cleaning solution? >> yes, in fact, yes.uv light can destroy some dna evidence and bleach solution can destroy some evidence. however, what this case so important is his clothing, boots, from her dna. >> exactly. >> her clothing from his dna, depends on the inner layer or outer layer. the most inner layer clothing on his dna become even more important. >> to a neighbor of raymond clark's, ann marie goodwin, a special guest joining us tonight from camden, connecticut. thank you for being with us, ms. goodwin. what was your impression of him? how stunned were you when you heard this news? >> i was shocked, but knowing him like i did, which wasn't that well, i believe that he could have done it. >> why do you say that? >> just because he seemed like the type of person that could snap at any minute. >> has it ever been reported that he had a controlling personality, a control freak? >> yeah. i've said that. i said, i know him to be controlling with his girlfriend. >> in what way? >> just bossing her around, telling her to, come

dr. henry lee served as state police commissioner in connecticut.w he runs his own forensic center at the university of new haven. he says those access card have provided a timeline inside that lab building on the last day annie le was seen alive, revealing any opportunities a suspect would have had to harm annie le. >> what do those cards tell us? >> we have an opportunity that we're going to be together. >> there are reports those swipe cards put them in that room, the last room where anyone was. >> that's crucial information. >> sources tell us there are texts and e males between clark and le, that clark had complained to le that the cages were dirty. after days of following raymond clark, tuesday night detectives moved in with a warrant to obtain dna samples were clark. they tried to question him but he quickly invoked his rights to attorneys offering little to investigators. then 3 a.m. went morning they let him go. criminal experts say it's not uncommon to let a criminal experts say it's not uncommon to let a prime suspect go after questioning

dr. henry lee, can you get rid of dna with, for instance, a cleaning solution? >> yes, in fact, yes.ght can destroy some dna evidence and bleach solution can destroy some evidence. however, what this case so important is his clothing, boots, from her dna. >> exactly. >> her clothing upon his dna. depends on the inner layer or outer layer. the most inner layer clothing on his dna become even more important. >> to a neighbor of raymond clark's, annmarie goodwin, a special guest joining us tonight from hamden, connecticut. ms. goodwin, thank you for being with us. what was your impression of him? how stunned were you when you heard this news? >> i was shocked, but knowing him like i did, which wasn't that well, i believe that he could have done it. >> why do you say that? >> just because he seemed like the type of person that could snap at any minute. >> has it ever been reported that he had a controlling personality, a control freak? >> yeah. i've said that. i said, i know him to be controlling with his girlfriend. >> in what way? >> just bossing her around, telling her to, come on, hu

dr. henry paul, adolescent psychiatrist and author. also with us former criminal investigators and director of defend university steve cardigan and henry lee following this since day one from the "san francisco chronicle." starting with dr. henry paul on this one, what could this lady be thinking as if jaycee dugard doesn't have anything else to be concerned about like putting her life back together. >> it would be humorous if it wasn't so ridiculous. i think she is very angry the police have investigated her house for some reason but to say something like that couldn't be further from reality to tell this woman, who we think suffers from a stockholm syndrome implying horrendous disassociation and stress disorder to tell her to come out and tell the truth is almost like a by var concept. >> yeah, it is, almost to the point of unbelieve -- the height of selfishness, right, doctor paul. >> -- her husband, himself, had some trouble and she feels rather violated. you know, maybe she believes because she knew the young girl, the young girls and jaycee were living with they man there, is no maybe she really doesn't understand a stockholm syndrom